Not to point out the obvious, but all of those cases of poor governance have been while the UK has been in the EU (and some Brexiteers would claim that's why we

Not to point out the obvious, but all of those cases of poor governance have been while the UK has been in the EU (and some Brexiteers would claim that's why we need to be free of it so we can govern things properly - not a claim I am making btw). This is liable to become a shit slinging fest I imagine Agree, so best not to make claims that have immediate counters from those on the other side of the debate. Nobody is necessarily right or wrong here, each side has opinions and ideology.