3 ms·

After living under the east and west influence there is little doubt which one is better as regards to human rights, standards of living, levels of corruption.

After living under the east and west influence there is little doubt which one is better as regards to human rights, standards of living, levels of corruption. To say the other side has the same problems is true but highly misleading. It's like saying both a mouse and an elephant have mass. Same for internal tensions in the west. Sure they exist regardless of Putin and Russia, but it's the size of problem that matters. Extremists without critical mass can't do much harm. A small fire can go out on it's own, but adding gasoline is a clear significant issue. The last part about calling the other side shills don't interest me much. Internet drama.

luckylion 6y ago
> After living under the east and west influence there is little doubt which one is better as regards to human rights, standards of living, levels of corruption. I'm not saying anything to the contrary, but your statement sounded like only Russia disregards human rights. I believe the primary difference is that Russia will do to Russian citizens what we will do to Iraqis, but not to our citizens. > Same for internal tensions in the west. Sure they exist regardless of Putin and Russia, but it's the size of problem that matters. But how do you know what size they would "naturally" be? We've had huge conflicts in the West before Putin, we've even had huge conflicts before the Soviet Union was created. Political conflicts, racial tensions (with the occasional genocide) are nothing new. > The last part about calling the other side shills don't interest me much. Internet drama. I disagree, that's why I mentioned it. The same thing is happening offline as well. You're not a fan of further political integration of the EU, the Euro or Euro-Bonds? You'll quickly get called a Putin-bot, because that's the easiest response to dissent: they can't really believe something else, they must have a hidden agenda. Or, alternatively, the more insulting variant: they can't really believe that, they must be stupid and are directed by foreign powers without them knowing it.

luckylion 6y ago

> After living under the east and west influence there is little doubt which one is better as regards to human rights, standards of living, levels of corruption. I'm not saying anything to the contrary, but your statement sounded like only Russia disregards human rights. I believe the primary difference is that Russia will do to Russian citizens what we will do to Iraqis, but not to our citizens. > Same for internal tensions in the west. Sure they exist regardless of Putin and Russia, but it's the size of problem that matters. But how do you know what size they would "naturally" be? We've had huge conflicts in the West before Putin, we've even had huge conflicts before the Soviet Union was created. Political conflicts, racial tensions (with the occasional genocide) are nothing new. > The last part about calling the other side shills don't interest me much. Internet drama. I disagree, that's why I mentioned it. The same thing is happening offline as well. You're not a fan of further political integration of the EU, the Euro or Euro-Bonds? You'll quickly get called a Putin-bot, because that's the easiest response to dissent: they can't really believe something else, they must have a hidden agenda. Or, alternatively, the more insulting variant: they can't really believe that, they must be stupid and are directed by foreign powers without them knowing it.