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I think that most companies would not find it adequate for the compliance regulations to be implemented "client-side". Mine would certainly answer your question

I think that most companies would not find it adequate for the compliance regulations to be implemented "client-side". Mine would certainly answer your question: "how would you do the following in Sublime" with: "not at all", or: "please don't". As for your former point of configurability; all power to you; I think that there is a spectrum where many folks choose to be more on the end of the spectrum where there is paved roads of using an editor that looks a certain way through the consensus of its users. Instead of picking between a super-configurable editor and one that isn't, I think many users choose between two less so configurable editors (I imagine IntelliJ and VS Code are good examples) for the one that just suits them better than the other.

burntoutfire 6y ago
> I think that most companies would not find it adequate for the compliance regulations to be implemented "client-side". Mine would certainly answer your question: "how would you do the following in Sublime" with: "not at all", or: "please don't". Yep, exactly. The most natural solution to this problem is some kind of git hook on the git server. Nobody cares about the changes I make locally before I push them to a branch.
- codygman 6y ago
  The point is the level of configurability and that you can remove all sharp edges from within emacs. Then when you sync your Emacs config to your laptop, those sharp edges remain gone. Examples like this, especially those widely meaningful to everyone, are nearly impossible to craft. It's like seeing different paths of movement before trying parkour and after training a few weeks.
_mlxl 6y ago
You are missing the forest for the trees here - and I imagine that's by choice. I'm not saying emacs shines as an audit trail - I am saying the processes by which you work can be incorporated within emacs very easily, in a way that is unmatched. I can see why people tend to ignore questions around specificity of why they like emacs - the goalposts never stop moving.
- IanCal 6y ago
  > You are missing the forest for the trees here - and I imagine that's by choice. To flip this around, I'd say you're fascinated by the forest when someone else just needs a tree. I understand the excitement and the freedom you're describing. What I think you're missing is that if others don't see a need for what you're describing it not only doesn't sound useful but sounds like the tool is definitely not aimed at them. This is not them being deliberately obstinate. In the classic spirit of tortuous car analogies for technology - there is a benefit in having a car you are able to maintain yourself. But when asked why this car and not another if the examples all sound like "You could add six steering wheels and put a tyre on top and have the horn play jingle bells only on christmas if you wanted!" then it immediately puts people off.
  - AJRF 6y ago
    Sorry but I entirely disagree with you here given the context - I am answering the question "Is there something substantial that Sublime users are missing?". What I described is a substantial benefit of using emacs over sublime text. If you are a programmer there are many benefits to total control over a system, and the ability to compose new functionality from a solid foundation of base functions. Now, you could happily use emacs forever without ever using that control, but the difference is with something like Sublime control you don't even have the freedom to make the choice as to whether you want to or not. It's out of your control, which is a downside when compared to emacs. The OP wasn't asking why would anyone want control they were asking what are the benefits of emacs in comparison to sublime.
    - IanCal 6y ago
      > What I described is a substantial benefit of using emacs over sublime text. I think you're _assuming_ "more control" is a substantial benefit for them. > The OP wasn't asking why would anyone want control they were asking what are the benefits of emacs in comparison to sublime. Right, but if you don't see a strong use case for that control it isn't a benefit. The examples you gave were of changing the UI in a way I am not interested and a way of triggering emails and slack messages when I save a file which would be actively harmful. Giving me the ability to do something I do not want to do is not beneficial. It's like telling me a car is better because it's so modifiable I can install a Margaritaville. That would be a bad change to me so it's not selling me on the benefit of this car.

burntoutfire 6y ago

> I think that most companies would not find it adequate for the compliance regulations to be implemented "client-side". Mine would certainly answer your question: "how would you do the following in Sublime" with: "not at all", or: "please don't". Yep, exactly. The most natural solution to this problem is some kind of git hook on the git server. Nobody cares about the changes I make locally before I push them to a branch.

codygman 6y ago
The point is the level of configurability and that you can remove all sharp edges from within emacs. Then when you sync your Emacs config to your laptop, those sharp edges remain gone. Examples like this, especially those widely meaningful to everyone, are nearly impossible to craft. It's like seeing different paths of movement before trying parkour and after training a few weeks.

_mlxl 6y ago

You are missing the forest for the trees here - and I imagine that's by choice. I'm not saying emacs shines as an audit trail - I am saying the processes by which you work can be incorporated within emacs very easily, in a way that is unmatched. I can see why people tend to ignore questions around specificity of why they like emacs - the goalposts never stop moving.

IanCal 6y ago
> You are missing the forest for the trees here - and I imagine that's by choice. To flip this around, I'd say you're fascinated by the forest when someone else just needs a tree. I understand the excitement and the freedom you're describing. What I think you're missing is that if others don't see a need for what you're describing it not only doesn't sound useful but sounds like the tool is definitely not aimed at them. This is not them being deliberately obstinate. In the classic spirit of tortuous car analogies for technology - there is a benefit in having a car you are able to maintain yourself. But when asked why this car and not another if the examples all sound like "You could add six steering wheels and put a tyre on top and have the horn play jingle bells only on christmas if you wanted!" then it immediately puts people off.
- AJRF 6y ago
  Sorry but I entirely disagree with you here given the context - I am answering the question "Is there something substantial that Sublime users are missing?". What I described is a substantial benefit of using emacs over sublime text. If you are a programmer there are many benefits to total control over a system, and the ability to compose new functionality from a solid foundation of base functions. Now, you could happily use emacs forever without ever using that control, but the difference is with something like Sublime control you don't even have the freedom to make the choice as to whether you want to or not. It's out of your control, which is a downside when compared to emacs. The OP wasn't asking why would anyone want control they were asking what are the benefits of emacs in comparison to sublime.
  - IanCal 6y ago
    > What I described is a substantial benefit of using emacs over sublime text. I think you're _assuming_ "more control" is a substantial benefit for them. > The OP wasn't asking why would anyone want control they were asking what are the benefits of emacs in comparison to sublime. Right, but if you don't see a strong use case for that control it isn't a benefit. The examples you gave were of changing the UI in a way I am not interested and a way of triggering emails and slack messages when I save a file which would be actively harmful. Giving me the ability to do something I do not want to do is not beneficial. It's like telling me a car is better because it's so modifiable I can install a Margaritaville. That would be a bad change to me so it's not selling me on the benefit of this car.