I think the argument survives being pushed back to colonisation, but maybe that's just me moving goalposts. I certainly don't know my American history as well a

I think the argument survives being pushed back to colonisation, but maybe that's just me moving goalposts. I certainly don't know my American history as well as you do, and to be honest I'm more interested in learning more than I am in being proven right or wrong. Thanks for adding more substance to the thread than I did.