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>The trouble is that we are subsidizing the shipment of items from China. I don't see any problem if taxpayer is the one is paying cheaper price as the end res

>The trouble is that we are subsidizing the shipment of items from China. I don't see any problem if taxpayer is the one is paying cheaper price as the end result. It's not like Chinese are charging full rate and sending for dirt cheap and booking mega profits like that. And if a student can order cheaper pen and paper from china or a mechanic can order cheaper nut bolts and screwdriver from china, what's the harm?

lenkite 6y ago
There is definitely a problem with subsidising the destruction of US small-scale businesses while favouring Chinese businesses and subsidising death of American citizens via fentayl. https://www.quora.com/Does-China-ePacket-hurt-American-business https://www.quora.com/Does-China-ePacket-hurt-American-busin... "COMBATTING THE OPIOID CRISIS: EXPLOITING VULNERABILITIES IN INTERNATIONAL MAIL" https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Combatting%20the%20Opioid%20Crisis%20-%20Exploiting%20Vulnerabilities%20in%20International%20Mail1.pdf https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Combatting%20the%... US Senate Staff Report: "Fentanyl Flows from China" https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/Fentanyl%20Flows%20from%20China.pdf https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/Fentanyl%2...
- markdown 6y ago
  > subsidising death of American citizens via fentayl. LOL, do you really think people buy chinese fentanyl 'cos the shipping per gram is a few cents cheaper than it would be if they had to pay higher shipping rents?
  - lenkite 6y ago
    I made a terrible mistake by my short, snarky answers without citations because I mistakenly assumed that most people were already aware of this. But it seems that I was utterly wrong. (also I did not downvote you) Please read this report by the US trade commission. I can quote further citations if needed, but this one is a succinct briefing. https://www.usitc.gov/publications/332/executive_briefings/ebot_george_serletis_fentanyl_from_china_pdf.pdf https://www.usitc.gov/publications/332/executive_briefings/e... Please also read the United States Senate Sub-committee on Investigations Staff Report. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Combatting%20the%20Opioid%20Crisis%20-%20Exploiting%20Vulnerabilities%20in%20International%20Mail1.pdf https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Combatting%20the%... "The preferred method of the international online (fentayl) sellers is Express Mail Service (“EMS”), a global delivery service for documents and merchandise contained in letters and package." Further reading in that report will show you how difficult it was to scan/inspect e-packet shipments due to immense volume.
  - Moru 6y ago
    No, the problem is that the drugs disappear in the flood of cheap legal packages sent because it's so cheap to send small items. It also contributes to the dismounting of American industry. When the poor people can't make any money to buy things made in USA because their jobs got exported to China, the next level of workers in USA will also lose their jobs and this will just continue for the next level and sooner or later hit the software world too.
- econcon 6y ago
  >There is definitely a problem with subsidising the destruction of US small-scale businesses while favouring Chinese businesses and subsidising death of American citizens via fentayl. You can find extreme examples in anything. But let me tell you, sometime back I was unemployed. I bought machining tools from china and setup a good business, I could have never been able to afford local manufactured tools without accuring debt. I paid a lot of money in taxes as my business grew, I bought better quality machines which were locally available from local suppliers because local suppliers ensures a maintenance package.

lenkite 6y ago

There is definitely a problem with subsidising the destruction of US small-scale businesses while favouring Chinese businesses and subsidising death of American citizens via fentayl. https://www.quora.com/Does-China-ePacket-hurt-American-business https://www.quora.com/Does-China-ePacket-hurt-American-busin... "COMBATTING THE OPIOID CRISIS: EXPLOITING VULNERABILITIES IN INTERNATIONAL MAIL" https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Combatting%20the%20Opioid%20Crisis%20-%20Exploiting%20Vulnerabilities%20in%20International%20Mail1.pdf https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Combatting%20the%... US Senate Staff Report: "Fentanyl Flows from China" https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/Fentanyl%20Flows%20from%20China.pdf https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/Fentanyl%2...

markdown 6y ago
> subsidising death of American citizens via fentayl. LOL, do you really think people buy chinese fentanyl 'cos the shipping per gram is a few cents cheaper than it would be if they had to pay higher shipping rents?
- lenkite 6y ago
  I made a terrible mistake by my short, snarky answers without citations because I mistakenly assumed that most people were already aware of this. But it seems that I was utterly wrong. (also I did not downvote you) Please read this report by the US trade commission. I can quote further citations if needed, but this one is a succinct briefing. https://www.usitc.gov/publications/332/executive_briefings/ebot_george_serletis_fentanyl_from_china_pdf.pdf https://www.usitc.gov/publications/332/executive_briefings/e... Please also read the United States Senate Sub-committee on Investigations Staff Report. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Combatting%20the%20Opioid%20Crisis%20-%20Exploiting%20Vulnerabilities%20in%20International%20Mail1.pdf https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Combatting%20the%... "The preferred method of the international online (fentayl) sellers is Express Mail Service (“EMS”), a global delivery service for documents and merchandise contained in letters and package." Further reading in that report will show you how difficult it was to scan/inspect e-packet shipments due to immense volume.
- Moru 6y ago
  No, the problem is that the drugs disappear in the flood of cheap legal packages sent because it's so cheap to send small items. It also contributes to the dismounting of American industry. When the poor people can't make any money to buy things made in USA because their jobs got exported to China, the next level of workers in USA will also lose their jobs and this will just continue for the next level and sooner or later hit the software world too.
econcon 6y ago
>There is definitely a problem with subsidising the destruction of US small-scale businesses while favouring Chinese businesses and subsidising death of American citizens via fentayl. You can find extreme examples in anything. But let me tell you, sometime back I was unemployed. I bought machining tools from china and setup a good business, I could have never been able to afford local manufactured tools without accuring debt. I paid a lot of money in taxes as my business grew, I bought better quality machines which were locally available from local suppliers because local suppliers ensures a maintenance package.