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Can someone clue me in on the whole story?

by boromi 6y ago

gowld 6y ago
People are exceedingly obnoxious on Twitter, and LeCun got sick of it.
- boromi 6y ago
  Isn't he uniquely qualified to help rectify bias issues. It seems odd to just leave.
  - redis_mlc 6y ago
    I don't think AI is fixable when applied to humanity. For example, laws have been passed at the city level (Santa Cruz, Boston) against facial recognition, but we need federal laws.
  - deleted 6y ago
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minimaxir 6y ago
There was a Twitter kerfuffle about bias in AI: https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/hdi9hq/discussion_about_data_bias_vs_inductive_bias_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/hdi9hq/dis...
ipiz0618 6y ago
Even after reading through the discussion I don't understand why he was "wrong". He merely made a statement based on his expertise and offered a direction to fix bias in implementing AI systems. I hope we can still follow him somewhere where he will not be attacked groundlessly while sharing the newest AI research progress. His research is inspirational.
rogerallen 6y ago
There is more context here: https://venturebeat.com/2020/06/26/ai-weekly-a-deep-learning-pioneers-teachable-moment-on-ai-bias/ https://venturebeat.com/2020/06/26/ai-weekly-a-deep-learning... I appreciated this response thread by Nicolas Le Roux on twitter: https://twitter.com/le_roux_nicolas/status/1275485736259792898 https://twitter.com/le_roux_nicolas/status/12754857362597928... especially this: "Why did you reply by repeating what you thought was true, even after many explicitly told you that what you believed to be true was incorrect?" ... "did you watch the tutorials or read the papers that were pointed to you. What did you think of them?"
- itsoktocry 6y ago
  >"did you watch the tutorials or read the papers that were pointed to you. What did you think of them?" As if he doesn't have better things to do then give opinions on people's papers and random tutorials about something he doesn't even disagree with. What would it accomplish? Also: "Fourth, you asked to assume good intent (https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1275174556152586240 https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1275174556152586240), which is known to maintain the balance of power" Asking to assume good intent is now a power move to the left? This is "known"? Awesome. Well, mission accomplished, Yann LeCun won't be participating in this discourse any more, and we're all better off, right?

Can someone clue me in on the whole story?

by boromi 6y ago

Can someone clue me in on the whole story?

gowld 6y ago

People are exceedingly obnoxious on Twitter, and LeCun got sick of it.

boromi 6y ago
Isn't he uniquely qualified to help rectify bias issues. It seems odd to just leave.
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  I don't think AI is fixable when applied to humanity. For example, laws have been passed at the city level (Santa Cruz, Boston) against facial recognition, but we need federal laws.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]

minimaxir 6y ago

There was a Twitter kerfuffle about bias in AI: https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/hdi9hq/discussion_about_data_bias_vs_inductive_bias_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/hdi9hq/dis...

ipiz0618 6y ago

Even after reading through the discussion I don't understand why he was "wrong". He merely made a statement based on his expertise and offered a direction to fix bias in implementing AI systems. I hope we can still follow him somewhere where he will not be attacked groundlessly while sharing the newest AI research progress. His research is inspirational.

rogerallen 6y ago

There is more context here: https://venturebeat.com/2020/06/26/ai-weekly-a-deep-learning-pioneers-teachable-moment-on-ai-bias/ https://venturebeat.com/2020/06/26/ai-weekly-a-deep-learning... I appreciated this response thread by Nicolas Le Roux on twitter: https://twitter.com/le_roux_nicolas/status/1275485736259792898 https://twitter.com/le_roux_nicolas/status/12754857362597928... especially this: "Why did you reply by repeating what you thought was true, even after many explicitly told you that what you believed to be true was incorrect?" ... "did you watch the tutorials or read the papers that were pointed to you. What did you think of them?"

itsoktocry 6y ago
>"did you watch the tutorials or read the papers that were pointed to you. What did you think of them?" As if he doesn't have better things to do then give opinions on people's papers and random tutorials about something he doesn't even disagree with. What would it accomplish? Also: "Fourth, you asked to assume good intent (https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1275174556152586240 https://twitter.com/ylecun/status/1275174556152586240), which is known to maintain the balance of power" Asking to assume good intent is now a power move to the left? This is "known"? Awesome. Well, mission accomplished, Yann LeCun won't be participating in this discourse any more, and we're all better off, right?