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Communists, right... I dunno what to say. There’s nothing good about this. Unfortunately people love the free market until market actors do market actor things

Communists, right... I dunno what to say. There’s nothing good about this. Unfortunately people love the free market until market actors do market actor things, then all of a sudden it’s the Bolshevik terror. (Literally, in this case) Do you support Visa’s right to transact with, and not to transact with, whoever they like? Sure you do, till it bites you. No sides wish to confront their responsibility in forming the system we are in and heading toward. So it’s full steam ahead. Hold onto your butts!

exolymph 6y ago
Upvoted, but there's a significant, influential contingent of the social justice crowd that quite literally is communist and conceives of itself (not incorrectly) as effective vanguardism.
- draw_down 6y ago
  They say that stuff, but the underlying politics is just neoliberalism. Same with Mr. Gab, here. Neither threatens anything.
adontz 6y ago
There is no free market when you have enormous monopolies like VISA. Fee market is when you have VISA, MasterCard and like ten other companies and still can process transaction of nine other companies. Card processing is not a free market.
- jhanschoo 6y ago
  Do card processors have a monopoly in payment processing when gab is still able to receive payments via other (more inconvenient) options?
  - rbecker 6y ago
    Not a monopoly, but they have enormous market power, which used to be sufficient to get into anti-trust trouble.
badrabbit 6y ago
No, I do not accept that Visa has any rights at all. Visa is not a person, it is a public company. Individuals have a right to refuse to transact with whomever they choose but a business has no rights, not even the right to exist. A business only has privileges afforded to it by society. People have a right to form private associations and do whatever they want,but the moment that for-profit business opens doors to the public, the terms of it's operation must be according to local laws and restriction by local commerce associations. Many states allow businesses to refuse a customer , that should not be the case either. If a business has the public as customers then the terms if it's operation and existence must be determined by the public. That is of course assuming society is ruled by a government of the people,for the people and by the people. If corporations run society it is businesses that have rights and they decide who gets to have a payment processed, who gets to buy groceries and who is allowed a shelter above their heads and whose child is allowed at the good schools. That revolting idea of a society must be destroyed at all costs. I will oppose any society or government that supports it.
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exolymph 6y ago

Upvoted, but there's a significant, influential contingent of the social justice crowd that quite literally is communist and conceives of itself (not incorrectly) as effective vanguardism.

draw_down 6y ago
They say that stuff, but the underlying politics is just neoliberalism. Same with Mr. Gab, here. Neither threatens anything.

adontz 6y ago

There is no free market when you have enormous monopolies like VISA. Fee market is when you have VISA, MasterCard and like ten other companies and still can process transaction of nine other companies. Card processing is not a free market.

jhanschoo 6y ago
Do card processors have a monopoly in payment processing when gab is still able to receive payments via other (more inconvenient) options?
- rbecker 6y ago
  Not a monopoly, but they have enormous market power, which used to be sufficient to get into anti-trust trouble.

badrabbit 6y ago

No, I do not accept that Visa has any rights at all. Visa is not a person, it is a public company. Individuals have a right to refuse to transact with whomever they choose but a business has no rights, not even the right to exist. A business only has privileges afforded to it by society. People have a right to form private associations and do whatever they want,but the moment that for-profit business opens doors to the public, the terms of it's operation must be according to local laws and restriction by local commerce associations. Many states allow businesses to refuse a customer , that should not be the case either. If a business has the public as customers then the terms if it's operation and existence must be determined by the public. That is of course assuming society is ruled by a government of the people,for the people and by the people. If corporations run society it is businesses that have rights and they decide who gets to have a payment processed, who gets to buy groceries and who is allowed a shelter above their heads and whose child is allowed at the good schools. That revolting idea of a society must be destroyed at all costs. I will oppose any society or government that supports it.

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