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Biology is more like a class where everything's private and there was no documentation on the public methods (for us)

Barrin92 6y ago
in biology nothing is private or even in a class because in biology there is no designer, so there is no need for encapsulation. One of the more and more prominent insights in biology is that almost every gene apparently appears to influence everything else.[1] Which is why I think methods like CRISPR are fundamentally misguided for anything but the most simple problems. Trying to impose deliberate change on biological systems by editing a single gene is like trying to turn a story from drama into comedy by switching out individual letters. [1]https://www.quantamagazine.org/omnigenic-model-suggests-that-all-genes-affect-every-complex-trait-20180620/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/omnigenic-model-suggests-that...
- Johnjonjoan 6y ago
  I'm curious why you're so sure there isn't a designer.
  - discreteevent 6y ago
    One can never be sure, but from all the evidence it looks like that if there was a designer, they weren't operating at this level, so the parents point is unaffected by this concern.
    - Johnjonjoan 6y ago
      I'm unsure, the only contradictory point to my proposition was that there was no designer. "in biology nothing is private or even in a class because in biology there is no designer, so there is no need for encapsulation." How can the point be unaffected if you are rightly saying the point is in question? Are we on the same level as the implementation when we write our classes?
  - Barrin92 6y ago
    are we talking god or like ancient aliens prometheus engineers here I don't believe in god because I don't believe in anything magical or spiritual, for reasons too trivial to list here and I don't see the slightest hint of any design in any biological systems
    - Johnjonjoan 6y ago
      If you asked someone two centuries ago they would tell you that you believed in magic. How do you know reality isn't a simulation?
      - Barrin92 6y ago
        I don't know if reality is a simulation or not, however there's no clear way to prove it or not so in the absence of any evidence I'm not inclined to believe it, this is my approach to everything. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and I don't tend to assume that improbable things are true if the world works just fine without them. I'm not sure why someone 200 years ago would accuse me of being superstitious.

in biology nothing is private or even in a class because in biology there is no designer, so there is no need for encapsulation. One of the more and more prominent insights in biology is that almost every gene apparently appears to influence everything else.[1] Which is why I think methods like CRISPR are fundamentally misguided for anything but the most simple problems. Trying to impose deliberate change on biological systems by editing a single gene is like trying to turn a story from drama into comedy by switching out individual letters. [1]https://www.quantamagazine.org/omnigenic-model-suggests-that-all-genes-affect-every-complex-trait-20180620/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/omnigenic-model-suggests-that...

Johnjonjoan 6y ago
I'm curious why you're so sure there isn't a designer.
- discreteevent 6y ago
  One can never be sure, but from all the evidence it looks like that if there was a designer, they weren't operating at this level, so the parents point is unaffected by this concern.
  - Johnjonjoan 6y ago
    I'm unsure, the only contradictory point to my proposition was that there was no designer. "in biology nothing is private or even in a class because in biology there is no designer, so there is no need for encapsulation." How can the point be unaffected if you are rightly saying the point is in question? Are we on the same level as the implementation when we write our classes?
- Barrin92 6y ago
  are we talking god or like ancient aliens prometheus engineers here I don't believe in god because I don't believe in anything magical or spiritual, for reasons too trivial to list here and I don't see the slightest hint of any design in any biological systems
  - Johnjonjoan 6y ago
    If you asked someone two centuries ago they would tell you that you believed in magic. How do you know reality isn't a simulation?
    - Barrin92 6y ago
      I don't know if reality is a simulation or not, however there's no clear way to prove it or not so in the absence of any evidence I'm not inclined to believe it, this is my approach to everything. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and I don't tend to assume that improbable things are true if the world works just fine without them. I'm not sure why someone 200 years ago would accuse me of being superstitious.