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What a time to br alive. I love it that MS now is the do no evil entity. Support linux? Own github? Respects privacy settings? I respectfully carefully celebra

by idclip 6y ago

What a time to br alive. I love it that MS now is the do no evil entity. Support linux? Own github? Respects privacy settings? I respectfully carefully celebrate this information and hope to see more!

plussed_reader 6y ago
Nah, more of the same smoke and mirrors; their treatment of AppGet is the proof in the pudding.
searchableguy 6y ago
No for-profit company is your friend. Only as long as they can extract value. Not a cynical view. There is plenty of evidence.
- robbrown451 6y ago
  Well, it can be a cynical view and a correct view at the same time. I do question the black and whiteness of the comment. Also, what do you mean by "friend"? An (also cynical) argument could be made that even your actual friends are out to advance their own interests first, and are using you to those ends. A more realistic and useful statement might be that for-profit companies lie on a spectrum -- none are purely "good" and none are purely "evil." I imagine that you can probably substitute "for-profit companies" with "humans and human run organizations" and it would still be true.
  - idclip 6y ago
    Thats why i celebrate the move on that spectrum with care :D ... i remember the 2000s. I just hope the trend continues and gives us more
- PopeDotNinja 6y ago
  Or... It's easy to altruistic when shareholders are happy with stock performance. When the stock be a tankin', altruism gets a spankin' (best rhyme I could come up with).
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jononor 6y ago
Those privacy settings were introduced after they started seriously increasing the amount of telemetry and personal data Windows collects by default. Its is not an example of "do no evil".
suby 6y ago
They're not the do no evil entity. There are privacy concerns with Windows 10. Windows 10 also has many dark patterns present to get you to opt into their privacy invasive patterns. There was a hacker news story on here about 2 days ago about them exfiltrating data from firefox to import into edge without user permission. They're spending billions of dollars to court developer good will, while at the same time undoing this effort through these practices. I for one refuse to use Windows, and do not trust Microsoft.
MichaelMoser123 6y ago
i think it's because their main line of business is selling software & services (it's not about pushing adds) they got it that there is more to loose from being pushy - once they were no longer on top of the heap. Doing 'no evil' is a great reputation builder and good for the bottom line (if your business ends allow you to be nice and pleasant, that is). Also reputation becomes very important when you are into selling services (like cloud hosting) Actually not many established companies of this size are able to make a transition like this one.

by idclip 6y ago

plussed_reader 6y ago

Nah, more of the same smoke and mirrors; their treatment of AppGet is the proof in the pudding.

searchableguy 6y ago

No for-profit company is your friend. Only as long as they can extract value. Not a cynical view. There is plenty of evidence.

robbrown451 6y ago
Well, it can be a cynical view and a correct view at the same time. I do question the black and whiteness of the comment. Also, what do you mean by "friend"? An (also cynical) argument could be made that even your actual friends are out to advance their own interests first, and are using you to those ends. A more realistic and useful statement might be that for-profit companies lie on a spectrum -- none are purely "good" and none are purely "evil." I imagine that you can probably substitute "for-profit companies" with "humans and human run organizations" and it would still be true.
- idclip 6y ago
  Thats why i celebrate the move on that spectrum with care :D ... i remember the 2000s. I just hope the trend continues and gives us more
PopeDotNinja 6y ago
Or... It's easy to altruistic when shareholders are happy with stock performance. When the stock be a tankin', altruism gets a spankin' (best rhyme I could come up with).
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jononor 6y ago

Those privacy settings were introduced after they started seriously increasing the amount of telemetry and personal data Windows collects by default. Its is not an example of "do no evil".

suby 6y ago

They're not the do no evil entity. There are privacy concerns with Windows 10. Windows 10 also has many dark patterns present to get you to opt into their privacy invasive patterns. There was a hacker news story on here about 2 days ago about them exfiltrating data from firefox to import into edge without user permission. They're spending billions of dollars to court developer good will, while at the same time undoing this effort through these practices. I for one refuse to use Windows, and do not trust Microsoft.

MichaelMoser123 6y ago

i think it's because their main line of business is selling software & services (it's not about pushing adds) they got it that there is more to loose from being pushy - once they were no longer on top of the heap. Doing 'no evil' is a great reputation builder and good for the bottom line (if your business ends allow you to be nice and pleasant, that is). Also reputation becomes very important when you are into selling services (like cloud hosting) Actually not many established companies of this size are able to make a transition like this one.