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> talking to him may make you realize he’s in a lot of pain, and that he’s been hurt by a system larger than ... I'd look at fat-people-hate and beat-women sub

> talking to him may make you realize he’s in a lot of pain, and that he’s been hurt by a system larger than ... I'd look at fat-people-hate and beat-women subreddits more like bank robberers planning their next attack on a bank, discussing weapons, and having a good time looking at viedos of robberies from the past. Then you can visit them and tell them "But it's wrong to rob banks, it's not your money and think of the poor people working in the bank, they'll get PTSD". Or you say "Let's discuss the big underlying systematic problem that is larger than all of us, and makes you rob banks, and how to solve it" Then you get banned from that subreddit, and the bank robberers continue enjoying robbing banks.

luckylion 6y ago
> Then you get banned from that subreddit, and the bank robberers continue enjoying robbing banks. Bank robbers don't rob banks because they enjoy robbing banks. Bullys don't bully because "omg wow have you tried bullying it so great". I'm all with you that bullying sucks, but if you want bullying to stop, you better damn well understand the motivation. If you reach for "they are just evil people", you're not thinking hard enough.
- IgorPartola 6y ago
  There is a difference in talking to someone to understand a problem and providing a communications platform for them to connect to other bullies in order to form a community that validates the practice. How in the world is that so difficult to see? Say you build walkie talkies, and a member of the KKK shows up and says he needs 100 of them because they are rioting in a black neighborhood tonight and need a way to coordinate their plans. Do you say “sure in fact take some for free!” just so you can listen in to understand exactly how they are terrorizing their black neighbors, or do you tell them to fuck off because you don’t want to provide tools to a hate group?

luckylion 6y ago

> Then you get banned from that subreddit, and the bank robberers continue enjoying robbing banks. Bank robbers don't rob banks because they enjoy robbing banks. Bullys don't bully because "omg wow have you tried bullying it so great". I'm all with you that bullying sucks, but if you want bullying to stop, you better damn well understand the motivation. If you reach for "they are just evil people", you're not thinking hard enough.

IgorPartola 6y ago
There is a difference in talking to someone to understand a problem and providing a communications platform for them to connect to other bullies in order to form a community that validates the practice. How in the world is that so difficult to see? Say you build walkie talkies, and a member of the KKK shows up and says he needs 100 of them because they are rioting in a black neighborhood tonight and need a way to coordinate their plans. Do you say “sure in fact take some for free!” just so you can listen in to understand exactly how they are terrorizing their black neighbors, or do you tell them to fuck off because you don’t want to provide tools to a hate group?