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Actual discussion of racist thought is pretty off topic, I am more interested in where one could find good anti-race realist resources (and arguing for why atte

Actual discussion of racist thought is pretty off topic, I am more interested in where one could find good anti-race realist resources (and arguing for why attemptibg to censor racist thought can cause the problem of lack of said resources) then trying to rehash hundred thousand word arguments on an extremely complex topic in comments. That said, it would be rude to ignore the effort you've made, so: The main actionable things the HBDers I've spoken to want include no longer automatically treating mismatches between demographics in employment, prison, etc as a problem and introducing testing for those coming emmigrating into their country. Also, there is a weakness in testing, namely that even racialists think things like intelligence are partly non-shared environment, so if you set a lower bar filter from a population with lower average IQ, then while the people you get will meet your threshhold, their children would often not (assuming this supposed genetic difference exists), which is relevant to immigration rules.

IgorPartola 6y ago
Here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racism https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racism. Rational Wiki is a good resource for exploring arguments against bad ideas.
- concordDance 6y ago
  Are you being sarcastic? rationalwiki is terrible for arguments against anything (more of a place for smug circlejerks) and best I can tell doesn't include ANY arguments at all for the falseness of racism on the linked page (something of the form "if groups really did differ in average intelligence then we would expect to see X, but insteas we see Y"). I suspect the lack of such an argument is partly because, like almost everyone, they are unaware of the actual arguments HBDers make.
- dabbernaught420 6y ago
  rationalwiki has a reputation for being extraordinarily bad for exploring arguments on controversial subjects. See: http://nathancofnas.com/comments-on-my-rationalwiki-page/ http://nathancofnas.com/comments-on-my-rationalwiki-page/ and https://medium.com/@NoahCarl/some-comments-on-the-rationalwiki-page-about-me-e889d98bb165 https://medium.com/@NoahCarl/some-comments-on-the-rationalwi... Frequently found are lies, deliberate misrepresentation, mocking, bullying.
ansible 6y ago
> Also, there is a weakness in testing, namely that even racialists think things like intelligence are partly non-shared environment, so if you set a lower bar filter from a population with lower average IQ, then while the people you get will meet your threshhold, their children would often not (assuming this supposed genetic difference exists), which is relevant to immigration rules. So are we going to kick out in-group children from the country when their IQ scores aren't high enough? No? Then that is a a bad argument. Also, I have been trying to avoid the whole debate on what IQ test actually measure...
dabbernaught420 6y ago
Here's a classic article from Nick Land as to why racism isn't something worth spending too much time thinking about: http://www.xenosystems.net/hyper-racism/ http://www.xenosystems.net/hyper-racism/ The article is perhaps extreme and overly performative, but I think the central idea of "races" not surviving the near-future is a good one.
- concordDance 6y ago
  While I agree with the point of the article that current genetic imbalances are horrifying, underappreciated and getting worse (and mostly not race based), there's still plenty of suffering to be had due to racism. If race realism is correct then job quotas, immigration and education policy will cause a fair few problems, and if it's wrong then the very large amounts of suffering enduring by some ethnic minorities will be fixable. So while this is far from the most important issue (that goes to things like ageing, possible dysgenic trends and the possibility of true AI), it's still pretty important by the standards of modern policy debates.

IgorPartola 6y ago

Here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racism https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racism. Rational Wiki is a good resource for exploring arguments against bad ideas.

concordDance 6y ago
Are you being sarcastic? rationalwiki is terrible for arguments against anything (more of a place for smug circlejerks) and best I can tell doesn't include ANY arguments at all for the falseness of racism on the linked page (something of the form "if groups really did differ in average intelligence then we would expect to see X, but insteas we see Y"). I suspect the lack of such an argument is partly because, like almost everyone, they are unaware of the actual arguments HBDers make.
dabbernaught420 6y ago
rationalwiki has a reputation for being extraordinarily bad for exploring arguments on controversial subjects. See: http://nathancofnas.com/comments-on-my-rationalwiki-page/ http://nathancofnas.com/comments-on-my-rationalwiki-page/ and https://medium.com/@NoahCarl/some-comments-on-the-rationalwiki-page-about-me-e889d98bb165 https://medium.com/@NoahCarl/some-comments-on-the-rationalwi... Frequently found are lies, deliberate misrepresentation, mocking, bullying.

ansible 6y ago

> Also, there is a weakness in testing, namely that even racialists think things like intelligence are partly non-shared environment, so if you set a lower bar filter from a population with lower average IQ, then while the people you get will meet your threshhold, their children would often not (assuming this supposed genetic difference exists), which is relevant to immigration rules. So are we going to kick out in-group children from the country when their IQ scores aren't high enough? No? Then that is a a bad argument. Also, I have been trying to avoid the whole debate on what IQ test actually measure...

dabbernaught420 6y ago

Here's a classic article from Nick Land as to why racism isn't something worth spending too much time thinking about: http://www.xenosystems.net/hyper-racism/ http://www.xenosystems.net/hyper-racism/ The article is perhaps extreme and overly performative, but I think the central idea of "races" not surviving the near-future is a good one.

concordDance 6y ago
While I agree with the point of the article that current genetic imbalances are horrifying, underappreciated and getting worse (and mostly not race based), there's still plenty of suffering to be had due to racism. If race realism is correct then job quotas, immigration and education policy will cause a fair few problems, and if it's wrong then the very large amounts of suffering enduring by some ethnic minorities will be fixable. So while this is far from the most important issue (that goes to things like ageing, possible dysgenic trends and the possibility of true AI), it's still pretty important by the standards of modern policy debates.