Yea, thats what I'm trying to point out. Tribal gift economies were not "barter economies". Pretty insulting to those cultures to ignore their art and knowledg

Yea, thats what I'm trying to point out. Tribal gift economies were not "barter economies". Pretty insulting to those cultures to ignore their art and knowledge. Many would argue, me included, that their art was ,in many ways, superior and they possesed knowledge in subjects much deeper and nuaced than our "modern" culture posesses. Your "18 hours a day back breaking labor" betrays an ignorance of the amount that people in many of those culutures had to work to survive. If you think having most of the planet staring at flashing lights and working 40+ hours a week (unhappy and uncertain) to further a system that is rapidly destroying everything of true value on this planet, "advancement", then we'll just have agree to disagree.