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I think Lemmy needs to address this before it will get any wide acceptance: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/816 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/81

I think Lemmy needs to address this before it will get any wide acceptance: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/816 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/816

hoorayimhelping 6y ago
>We are never going to remove the slur filter completely (or add an option to that effect), because we dont want to make it easy for right-wingers to use Lemmy. Welp, I just completely wrote off this site and I'm about as middle of the road as they come in America. What a short sighted and ignorant way to look at the world.
- orthecreedence 6y ago
  That's the thing! It doesn't stop hate speech. "I think we should eliminate all of (((those people)))." I didn't use the k-word, but everyone knows what the sentence means. On the other hand, you can't post "tranny" or "bitch" but, bitch is contextual: it's definition is a female dog, but even in the context of "wow she's such a bitch" bitch is not a slur. "Tranny" is derogatory in the context when used against trans people, but it's also used quite often in mechanics to mean "transmission." There are so many different contexts in which these words aren't derogatory, and in some cases represent the power of people to reclaim what was previously a slur. Banning certain words is incredibly short-sighted, and punishes everyone who uses the platform while not addressing the real issue: extreme right-wingers can still use it just fine, and have absolutely no problem coming up with new dog whistles in order to get around your elementary word filter.
  - asdf21 6y ago
    In restaurants I worked in a long time ago, servers would just call black people "Canadians" -- for instance, "Nope, don't sit those Canadians in my section, they don't tip." Good luck filtering for stuff like that. And even if you did, people would just come up with new version. Re: The core problem... Why would having extreme right wingers use your site even be a problem? Presumably extreme left wingers are okay?
    - luckylion 6y ago
      > Re: The core problem... Why would having extreme right wingers use your site even be a problem? Presumably extreme left wingers are okay? The developers are extreme left wingers, so yes, it's just a tribal thing, not a "I don't want to write software for extremists" thing.
asdf21 6y ago
Pretty gross to respond that only people on the right use "slurs," after being given several examples of why various minorities would want to use them. I'm pretty sure the n-word is used a lot more by black people than by "right wingers"
- krapp 6y ago
  It's not a slur when black people use it. Most of the time.
  - asdf21 6y ago
    Mhm.. yeah I've never been able to follow that line of reasoning. I'm a gay person and if I call someone the f-word I would generally mean it as a slur / insult. Bigotry / offensive words doesn't just lose meaning because you're a minority.
    - krapp 6y ago
      Social and cultural dynamics remain what they are regardless of whether you personally find them rational.
      - asdf21 6y ago
        You mean it's fine to let some groups get away with much more, out of guilt.
0x6c6f6c 6y ago
A profanity filter? Seems at best make it an optional preference, but why would you want to see offensive slurs by default?
- asdf21 6y ago
  So you know who you're talking to?
- orthecreedence 6y ago
  > why would you want to see offensive slurs by default? If I don't want to see offensive slurs, I won't associate with people who use them. Let me decide what is a slur or not, and let me decide who to associate with.

I think Lemmy needs to address this before it will get any wide acceptance: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/816 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/816

hoorayimhelping 6y ago

>We are never going to remove the slur filter completely (or add an option to that effect), because we dont want to make it easy for right-wingers to use Lemmy. Welp, I just completely wrote off this site and I'm about as middle of the road as they come in America. What a short sighted and ignorant way to look at the world.

orthecreedence 6y ago
That's the thing! It doesn't stop hate speech. "I think we should eliminate all of (((those people)))." I didn't use the k-word, but everyone knows what the sentence means. On the other hand, you can't post "tranny" or "bitch" but, bitch is contextual: it's definition is a female dog, but even in the context of "wow she's such a bitch" bitch is not a slur. "Tranny" is derogatory in the context when used against trans people, but it's also used quite often in mechanics to mean "transmission." There are so many different contexts in which these words aren't derogatory, and in some cases represent the power of people to reclaim what was previously a slur. Banning certain words is incredibly short-sighted, and punishes everyone who uses the platform while not addressing the real issue: extreme right-wingers can still use it just fine, and have absolutely no problem coming up with new dog whistles in order to get around your elementary word filter.
- asdf21 6y ago
  In restaurants I worked in a long time ago, servers would just call black people "Canadians" -- for instance, "Nope, don't sit those Canadians in my section, they don't tip." Good luck filtering for stuff like that. And even if you did, people would just come up with new version. Re: The core problem... Why would having extreme right wingers use your site even be a problem? Presumably extreme left wingers are okay?
  - luckylion 6y ago
    > Re: The core problem... Why would having extreme right wingers use your site even be a problem? Presumably extreme left wingers are okay? The developers are extreme left wingers, so yes, it's just a tribal thing, not a "I don't want to write software for extremists" thing.

asdf21 6y ago

Pretty gross to respond that only people on the right use "slurs," after being given several examples of why various minorities would want to use them. I'm pretty sure the n-word is used a lot more by black people than by "right wingers"

krapp 6y ago
It's not a slur when black people use it. Most of the time.
- asdf21 6y ago
  Mhm.. yeah I've never been able to follow that line of reasoning. I'm a gay person and if I call someone the f-word I would generally mean it as a slur / insult. Bigotry / offensive words doesn't just lose meaning because you're a minority.
  - krapp 6y ago
    Social and cultural dynamics remain what they are regardless of whether you personally find them rational.
    - asdf21 6y ago
      You mean it's fine to let some groups get away with much more, out of guilt.

0x6c6f6c 6y ago

A profanity filter? Seems at best make it an optional preference, but why would you want to see offensive slurs by default?

asdf21 6y ago
So you know who you're talking to?
orthecreedence 6y ago
> why would you want to see offensive slurs by default? If I don't want to see offensive slurs, I won't associate with people who use them. Let me decide what is a slur or not, and let me decide who to associate with.