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> worked fine for a decade. Lots of things which worked fine for a decade, don't work now, or aren't good ideas now. If they want to reject the present, and in

> worked fine for a decade. Lots of things which worked fine for a decade, don't work now, or aren't good ideas now. If they want to reject the present, and in this context reject updates, they can still use XP. It's also a bit weird to say Windows 10 which is on something like a billion computers worldwide, doesn't "work fine". And it's a bit weird to suggest that a small business with a handful of machines, is extremely disadvantaged by having a Windows Feature Update once a year, after being prompted for it and ignoring it for months. > "don't have the resources to install and manage an Active Directory domain" If they have an internet connection, Azure Active Directory[1] starts at $Free. > and yet still deserve They deserve more and different than the contract they entered into says? > their workstations to work predictably What exactly is unpredictable about this? It's not voodoo or random, feature updates have come out every Spring and Fall for the past five years, as it was documented that they would, and the Autumn one is a long-term-supported one. > "just to have the privilege of your computers not constantly getting in your way is nuts." Describing a predictable, short, /controllable/ reboot once in months as "constantly getting in your way" is nuts. Has Microsoft really done nothing else worth frothing at the mouth about that it's come down to "they install updates" these days? [1] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/active-directory/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/active-dir...

Nextgrid 6y ago
> a bit weird to say Windows 10 which is on something like a billion computers worldwide, doesn't "work fine" A operating system that spies on you, constantly nags you to use Edge/Login to a Microsoft account/etc is not one that "works fine" in my opinion. > If they have an internet connection, Azure Active Directory[1] starts at $Free. And now you're introducing a third-party dependency, a dependency on the network, a dependency on a service that might be shut down or the pricing model changed, and turned a single local computer that worked fine for a decade into what is essentially a distributed system. Not to mention the admin overhead of setting all of it up. > What exactly is unpredictable about this? I'm talking less about updates in this case and more about the other nasty features such as the spying/telemetry, random bugs that weren't there (start menu search is broken despite being fine in Windows 7), advertising/Candy Crush in the start menu, constant nags to use Edge, etc, and whatever else the new update might bring (if it doesn't outright make your system unusable or delete your data). > Describing a predictable, short, /controllable/ reboot once in months as "constantly getting in your way" is nuts. Look at my previous point. But regardless of all the other features, if the user has a reason to not install updates, it should be his right to do so. He paid for that computer & Windows license, he's paying for the power and bandwidth. It should be up to him to control how his hardware operates.

Nextgrid 6y ago

> a bit weird to say Windows 10 which is on something like a billion computers worldwide, doesn't "work fine" A operating system that spies on you, constantly nags you to use Edge/Login to a Microsoft account/etc is not one that "works fine" in my opinion. > If they have an internet connection, Azure Active Directory[1] starts at $Free. And now you're introducing a third-party dependency, a dependency on the network, a dependency on a service that might be shut down or the pricing model changed, and turned a single local computer that worked fine for a decade into what is essentially a distributed system. Not to mention the admin overhead of setting all of it up. > What exactly is unpredictable about this? I'm talking less about updates in this case and more about the other nasty features such as the spying/telemetry, random bugs that weren't there (start menu search is broken despite being fine in Windows 7), advertising/Candy Crush in the start menu, constant nags to use Edge, etc, and whatever else the new update might bring (if it doesn't outright make your system unusable or delete your data). > Describing a predictable, short, /controllable/ reboot once in months as "constantly getting in your way" is nuts. Look at my previous point. But regardless of all the other features, if the user has a reason to not install updates, it should be his right to do so. He paid for that computer & Windows license, he's paying for the power and bandwidth. It should be up to him to control how his hardware operates.