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> This only works for small communitie That's simply not true Ad blocking works because I decide what to block, not because the websites posting the ads are m

> This only works for small communitie That's simply not true Ad blocking works because I decide what to block, not because the websites posting the ads are moderating them in a good way Let me decide, is it really that scary? My email account is not on Gmail, I manage the spam, and it's ridiculously easy to get just the content I want and delete everything else It's hard to scale it for hundreds of accounts automatically, but it's not on a personal level Forums are about what I want to read, not about what it's good for me because a platform says so. "People have the power" Patty Smith used to say

TulliusCicero 6y ago
> Ad blocking works because I decide what to block Ad blocking isn't a community or discussion forum, and most people just use whatever blacklists some 'authority' comes up with. I guess the equivalent for a forum would be where you could not only block users (which is already common), but also share/combine blocklists. That's an interesting idea. I think you'd run into the WoW sharding problem where it creates a sort of dissonance where you're nominally in the same space but also not in the same space at the same time. Still, would be cool to at least experiment with.
- chinesempire 6y ago
  > Ad blocking isn't a community It's a user's side tool to remove unwanted content based on community generated rules It's content moderation nonetheless The error IMO is to think that the current implementation, which is also very young and immature, it's the best possible It isn't HN is not really a community, it's a platform run by a commercial entity, with (legit) interests Imagine if HN was just a node of a larger federated network They could decide what to post on their node(s) and which comments to remove I could run my instance and subscribe to their feed or their same source feeds and make different choices People could share blocklists, whitelists, favourites, ratings and everything else and decide what to use and what not HN would still be popular, but other nodes could benefit from having more freedom or making different choices Now HN (and every other UGC out there) is an all or nothing experience Facebook is facing an ad boycott because they can't moderate the platform the way corporations want, it means advertisers are the ones who ultimately decide which content is valuable and which is not, sometimes it can coincide with what users want, but more often than not it doesn't. But if we produce the content (like this conversation we're having) we should have control over it, and be able to reproduce it on a instance we control and continue it ad libitum even when HN decides our karma doesn't allow more than a few comments a day or one of us is shadow banned for reasons completely unrelated to what we are discussing right now or because it looks like spam to them or any other reason they think it needs moderation. It's their right if the content is free for someone else to pick up and they are not responsible for what happens on other nodes. It should be part of giving back to the community, you generate content for us, we moderate it like a DJ selects music for the listeners, but you can make your own playlists if you want to, because we don't make the music, we just mix it. Nobody said HN should not moderate their public instance, they have people to respond to, it simply shouldn't be the only instance If I had a feed of every comment and every link posted, I could read them and make my own rules Now I can't
- chinesempire 6y ago
  p.s. Marco Tullio Cicerone would have laughed at you that downvote comments just because you disagree and can't find good counter-arguments . I am from Rome and my second and third names are Marco and Augusto, after the Roman emperors Marco Aurelio and Gaio Giulio Cesare Ottaviano Augusto. From the windows of my house in Rome I see the Colosseum. Believe me if I tell you that you should change nickname.
TulliusCicero 6y ago
This other comment in the thread sounds like it's what you're looking for, if you haven't heard of it - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23664901 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23664901

TulliusCicero 6y ago

> Ad blocking works because I decide what to block Ad blocking isn't a community or discussion forum, and most people just use whatever blacklists some 'authority' comes up with. I guess the equivalent for a forum would be where you could not only block users (which is already common), but also share/combine blocklists. That's an interesting idea. I think you'd run into the WoW sharding problem where it creates a sort of dissonance where you're nominally in the same space but also not in the same space at the same time. Still, would be cool to at least experiment with.

chinesempire 6y ago
> Ad blocking isn't a community It's a user's side tool to remove unwanted content based on community generated rules It's content moderation nonetheless The error IMO is to think that the current implementation, which is also very young and immature, it's the best possible It isn't HN is not really a community, it's a platform run by a commercial entity, with (legit) interests Imagine if HN was just a node of a larger federated network They could decide what to post on their node(s) and which comments to remove I could run my instance and subscribe to their feed or their same source feeds and make different choices People could share blocklists, whitelists, favourites, ratings and everything else and decide what to use and what not HN would still be popular, but other nodes could benefit from having more freedom or making different choices Now HN (and every other UGC out there) is an all or nothing experience Facebook is facing an ad boycott because they can't moderate the platform the way corporations want, it means advertisers are the ones who ultimately decide which content is valuable and which is not, sometimes it can coincide with what users want, but more often than not it doesn't. But if we produce the content (like this conversation we're having) we should have control over it, and be able to reproduce it on a instance we control and continue it ad libitum even when HN decides our karma doesn't allow more than a few comments a day or one of us is shadow banned for reasons completely unrelated to what we are discussing right now or because it looks like spam to them or any other reason they think it needs moderation. It's their right if the content is free for someone else to pick up and they are not responsible for what happens on other nodes. It should be part of giving back to the community, you generate content for us, we moderate it like a DJ selects music for the listeners, but you can make your own playlists if you want to, because we don't make the music, we just mix it. Nobody said HN should not moderate their public instance, they have people to respond to, it simply shouldn't be the only instance If I had a feed of every comment and every link posted, I could read them and make my own rules Now I can't
chinesempire 6y ago
p.s. Marco Tullio Cicerone would have laughed at you that downvote comments just because you disagree and can't find good counter-arguments . I am from Rome and my second and third names are Marco and Augusto, after the Roman emperors Marco Aurelio and Gaio Giulio Cesare Ottaviano Augusto. From the windows of my house in Rome I see the Colosseum. Believe me if I tell you that you should change nickname.

TulliusCicero 6y ago

This other comment in the thread sounds like it's what you're looking for, if you haven't heard of it - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23664901 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23664901