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Normal people won't tolerate being on the same forum with huge assholes. Especially assholes who are bigoted, rather than just generally angry/jerk-ish. The far

Normal people won't tolerate being on the same forum with huge assholes. Especially assholes who are bigoted, rather than just generally angry/jerk-ish. The far right happens to contain a lot of this kind of person. The far left has people who are also very angry, but they're generally not as bigoted. The demographic they're most angry at is rich people, which is punching up instead of down at least. And most of the rhetoric there simply isn't as vile. It's stuff like, "take rich people's assets so we can redistribute it equally". I may not agree with seizing wealthy people's stuff, but that's nowhere near as offensive as "kick out all the gay/non-white people".

throwvid19 6y ago
Not as bigoted? Large swaths of the Left don't hate: - men? - whites? - straight people? - conservatives? - police? - people who live in rural parts of the country? There may be a ton of rationalizations for those rather bigoted perspectives, but it doesn't make them any less bigoted. Heck, the white supremacists have a whole bunch of rationalizations of their own. Does that make theirs okay? [Edited: formatting]
- TulliusCicero 6y ago
  Police sure, and you could argue for conservatives maybe. The others, no. The far right thinks black people are flatly inferior, and tolerate or encourage violence and oppression against them because of this. The far left's attitude toward white people is "it's bad that white people are dominant in society because of historical/structural racism", even in cases like affirmative action the clear goal is eventual equality, not that they want white people to end up structurally oppressed instead. If you can't see the difference in how toxic each of these attitudes are, I'm afraid I can't help you. But I'd love to see you explain how the left is apparently bigoted against straight people.
- earthscienceman 6y ago
  As a straight white dude from the rural United States who regularly hangs out in extremely far-left circles in very far-left places... you're out of your mind. I've never once heard a 'leftist' advocate for the murder of men, whites, straight people, conservatives, or rural dwellers (although, to be fair, occasionally the police). However, growing up and still when I visit home, I regularly hear how black people, queer people, and just liberals in general, aren't worthy of being left alive. These sides are not equivalent, no matter how desperately you want them to be. Also, my induction into these liberal circles went so far as "you want people to be treated equally? cool.". I didn't have to hand in my cis-white-man card and tattoo an anarchy symbol. In fact, we regularly talk about all sorts of controversial subjects. My friends often enjoy hearing what it was like to grow up in the world of pocket knives and bar fights. I take my communist friends out to shoot guns. Ask me how many of my rural friends have ever asked to experience life among the queers? You're comparing a rose bush with thorns to a semi-automatic rifle in terms of aggression towards the other party.
  - TheGrim-888 6y ago
    I live in Seattle and the city is now entirely covered in grafiti suggesting that we should kill police, white people, Trump, etc. They march in the streets every night in Capitol Hill as a show of force, surrounding cars and forcing them out to join the march. The left is on video spending days/weeks literally burning cars/buildings, rioting, looting stories, which everyone already stopped caring about. They're 1984 style trying to rewrite history by destroying statues, deplatforming and censoring any dissenting opinions. The left has clashed with the police and forcefully taken a chunk of my city, an American city, and claimed it as an autonomous zone that America and law and order no longer applies to. It's apparently hate speech for Trump to suggest that we should enforce rule of law and stop the left's violence, but everything the left is doing is perfectly fine, and gets support from mass media and every major tech company. Now imagine the opposite scenario. Imagine if a bunch of Republicans started literally burning cities to the ground, or taking over a section of an American city, or spray painting that all blacks should die. Imagine if a bunch of Republicans started erasing every Democrat hero from the history books. If a bunch of Republicans decided that law and order no longer mattered. People would be screaming that Nazis had taken over and the military needed to be sent in, and how the country was lost. But the left does it? A-OK.
    - earthscienceman 6y ago
      There's a lot of problems with your comment but I'll stick with the most egregious/shocking point. Are you really suggesting that confederate leaders are republican heros? And if-so... are you acknowledging that republicans admire and would like to celebrate treasonous bigots that went to war against the United States so that they could own slaves? Sounds to me like you're admitting that the platform of the republican party is literally that of racists. So, in that way, I understand why these groups would respond to being oppressed by racists with violence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3n-cI4wXCM&feature=youtu.be&t=34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3n-cI4wXCM&feature=youtu.be...
    - augustt 6y ago
      Hmm, yes, imagine if a bunch Republicans took over a government building, armed to the teeth. I can't fathom it.
- ianleeclark 6y ago
  One of the funniest parts of this is that a common critique by liberals in the US against the modern left is that the left is largely too CIS, white, and male.

throwvid19 6y ago

Not as bigoted? Large swaths of the Left don't hate: - men? - whites? - straight people? - conservatives? - police? - people who live in rural parts of the country? There may be a ton of rationalizations for those rather bigoted perspectives, but it doesn't make them any less bigoted. Heck, the white supremacists have a whole bunch of rationalizations of their own. Does that make theirs okay? [Edited: formatting]

TulliusCicero 6y ago
Police sure, and you could argue for conservatives maybe. The others, no. The far right thinks black people are flatly inferior, and tolerate or encourage violence and oppression against them because of this. The far left's attitude toward white people is "it's bad that white people are dominant in society because of historical/structural racism", even in cases like affirmative action the clear goal is eventual equality, not that they want white people to end up structurally oppressed instead. If you can't see the difference in how toxic each of these attitudes are, I'm afraid I can't help you. But I'd love to see you explain how the left is apparently bigoted against straight people.
earthscienceman 6y ago
As a straight white dude from the rural United States who regularly hangs out in extremely far-left circles in very far-left places... you're out of your mind. I've never once heard a 'leftist' advocate for the murder of men, whites, straight people, conservatives, or rural dwellers (although, to be fair, occasionally the police). However, growing up and still when I visit home, I regularly hear how black people, queer people, and just liberals in general, aren't worthy of being left alive. These sides are not equivalent, no matter how desperately you want them to be. Also, my induction into these liberal circles went so far as "you want people to be treated equally? cool.". I didn't have to hand in my cis-white-man card and tattoo an anarchy symbol. In fact, we regularly talk about all sorts of controversial subjects. My friends often enjoy hearing what it was like to grow up in the world of pocket knives and bar fights. I take my communist friends out to shoot guns. Ask me how many of my rural friends have ever asked to experience life among the queers? You're comparing a rose bush with thorns to a semi-automatic rifle in terms of aggression towards the other party.
- TheGrim-888 6y ago
  I live in Seattle and the city is now entirely covered in grafiti suggesting that we should kill police, white people, Trump, etc. They march in the streets every night in Capitol Hill as a show of force, surrounding cars and forcing them out to join the march. The left is on video spending days/weeks literally burning cars/buildings, rioting, looting stories, which everyone already stopped caring about. They're 1984 style trying to rewrite history by destroying statues, deplatforming and censoring any dissenting opinions. The left has clashed with the police and forcefully taken a chunk of my city, an American city, and claimed it as an autonomous zone that America and law and order no longer applies to. It's apparently hate speech for Trump to suggest that we should enforce rule of law and stop the left's violence, but everything the left is doing is perfectly fine, and gets support from mass media and every major tech company. Now imagine the opposite scenario. Imagine if a bunch of Republicans started literally burning cities to the ground, or taking over a section of an American city, or spray painting that all blacks should die. Imagine if a bunch of Republicans started erasing every Democrat hero from the history books. If a bunch of Republicans decided that law and order no longer mattered. People would be screaming that Nazis had taken over and the military needed to be sent in, and how the country was lost. But the left does it? A-OK.
  - earthscienceman 6y ago
    There's a lot of problems with your comment but I'll stick with the most egregious/shocking point. Are you really suggesting that confederate leaders are republican heros? And if-so... are you acknowledging that republicans admire and would like to celebrate treasonous bigots that went to war against the United States so that they could own slaves? Sounds to me like you're admitting that the platform of the republican party is literally that of racists. So, in that way, I understand why these groups would respond to being oppressed by racists with violence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3n-cI4wXCM&feature=youtu.be&t=34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3n-cI4wXCM&feature=youtu.be...
  - augustt 6y ago
    Hmm, yes, imagine if a bunch Republicans took over a government building, armed to the teeth. I can't fathom it.
ianleeclark 6y ago
One of the funniest parts of this is that a common critique by liberals in the US against the modern left is that the left is largely too CIS, white, and male.