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Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits. If those start creeping into your po

Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits. If those start creeping into your politics, memes, and video game subreddits, then yeah you’ve got a rough problem.

marcinzm 6y ago
>Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits. Which wasn't enough as I understand since those communities would en-mass attack other communities that they disagreed with.
- nothal 6y ago
  To be fair, this seems like a generally true case of how subreddits work. Leftist subs brigade, Conservative subs brigade, star wars subs brigade, subs about watching other subs brigade still brigade. It's unsolvable so long as people that disagree are allowed to freely access each other's reddits (not that that's a bad thing).
- Hedja 6y ago
  This is what happens all across the web, regardless of software. Raiding. IRC raids, forum raids, etc. Sometimes it's for fun, sometimes it's more malicious. Most software has ways to mitigate it. Temporarily closing new registrations, invite only registrations, throttling, IP bans, etc. Just like DDoS attacks, there is no true solution to this since that's how the public web and internet works.
ryder9 6y ago
> nothing wrong with pedophilia or nazis
- jimbob45 6y ago
  You’ve got to give people a space to consider both sides of every argument. Better to cordone off that space than have that discussion elsewhere. If you tell someone NEVER GO INTO THE LAST DOOR ON THE THIRD STORY, they’ll endlessly wonder what’s inside. If you show them that it’s your amateur paintings, they’ll never care again.
  - dpau 6y ago
    bit of a difference between educating people about nazism vs. giving actual neo-nazis a space to use for communication and recruitment.
  - IgorPartola 6y ago
    I don’t need to have a discussion with a guy who beats his wife because he never got help for his PTSD to know it’s wrong. Giving it a platform treats it like a point of view and not a gross fucking crime. I don’t need to talk to a Nazi to know that gassing Jews and gays is wrong. People seem to think that there are some unexplored ideas here that merit further discussion. We have already established that this shit is not what we want. Those in doubt can read accounts of domestic violence victims or a couple of history books to educate themselves.
    - Ar-Curunir 6y ago
      It’s just standard “both sides” crap
      - ccsnags 6y ago
        Bothsidism is a straw man argument designed to present arguments that compare practical effects of different ideologies in bad faith and give rhetoric to people who have no business making the argument in the first place. Dismissing an argument based on rhetorical sophistry is keeping your head in the sand while trying to get others to do the same. It’s reckless.
    - sgillen 6y ago
      You might not need to talk to that guy to know beating his wife was wrong. But talking to him may make you realize he’s in a lot of pain, and that he’s been hurt by a system larger than both of you. That doesn’t absolve him of guilt but I think pragmatically it gives us a better shot at preventing such things in the far future. You don’t have to browse Nazi forums to know that gassing Jews is wrong. But you may start to discover the reasons why these (mostly) young men are so angry, which I posit allows one to do more to prevent the spread of such ideologies.
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meowface 6y ago
The problem is when those communities constitute more than half of your users, they generally do creep into all of the other subreddits. See: 4chan. It wasn't always like it is now, but since /pol/ grew to be so big, now pretty much every board has a sizable or majority far-right contingent. It's even worse on Voat.

marcinzm 6y ago

>Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits. Which wasn't enough as I understand since those communities would en-mass attack other communities that they disagreed with.

nothal 6y ago
To be fair, this seems like a generally true case of how subreddits work. Leftist subs brigade, Conservative subs brigade, star wars subs brigade, subs about watching other subs brigade still brigade. It's unsolvable so long as people that disagree are allowed to freely access each other's reddits (not that that's a bad thing).
Hedja 6y ago
This is what happens all across the web, regardless of software. Raiding. IRC raids, forum raids, etc. Sometimes it's for fun, sometimes it's more malicious. Most software has ways to mitigate it. Temporarily closing new registrations, invite only registrations, throttling, IP bans, etc. Just like DDoS attacks, there is no true solution to this since that's how the public web and internet works.

ryder9 6y ago

> nothing wrong with pedophilia or nazis

jimbob45 6y ago
You’ve got to give people a space to consider both sides of every argument. Better to cordone off that space than have that discussion elsewhere. If you tell someone NEVER GO INTO THE LAST DOOR ON THE THIRD STORY, they’ll endlessly wonder what’s inside. If you show them that it’s your amateur paintings, they’ll never care again.
- dpau 6y ago
  bit of a difference between educating people about nazism vs. giving actual neo-nazis a space to use for communication and recruitment.
- IgorPartola 6y ago
  I don’t need to have a discussion with a guy who beats his wife because he never got help for his PTSD to know it’s wrong. Giving it a platform treats it like a point of view and not a gross fucking crime. I don’t need to talk to a Nazi to know that gassing Jews and gays is wrong. People seem to think that there are some unexplored ideas here that merit further discussion. We have already established that this shit is not what we want. Those in doubt can read accounts of domestic violence victims or a couple of history books to educate themselves.
  - Ar-Curunir 6y ago
    It’s just standard “both sides” crap
    - ccsnags 6y ago
      Bothsidism is a straw man argument designed to present arguments that compare practical effects of different ideologies in bad faith and give rhetoric to people who have no business making the argument in the first place. Dismissing an argument based on rhetorical sophistry is keeping your head in the sand while trying to get others to do the same. It’s reckless.
  - sgillen 6y ago
    You might not need to talk to that guy to know beating his wife was wrong. But talking to him may make you realize he’s in a lot of pain, and that he’s been hurt by a system larger than both of you. That doesn’t absolve him of guilt but I think pragmatically it gives us a better shot at preventing such things in the far future. You don’t have to browse Nazi forums to know that gassing Jews is wrong. But you may start to discover the reasons why these (mostly) young men are so angry, which I posit allows one to do more to prevent the spread of such ideologies.

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meowface 6y ago

The problem is when those communities constitute more than half of your users, they generally do creep into all of the other subreddits. See: 4chan. It wasn't always like it is now, but since /pol/ grew to be so big, now pretty much every board has a sizable or majority far-right contingent. It's even worse on Voat.