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Unfortunately it is as closed as other iOS devices and as such a no-go for those who value their freedoms. If Apple were to open up iOS to the same extent as A

Unfortunately it is as closed as other iOS devices and as such a no-go for those who value their freedoms. If Apple were to open up iOS to the same extent as Android is open - i.e. the basic system is open, on top of which proprietary services can be (but do not have to be) added - it might be more interesting. It would also be nice to have the possibility to add a microSD-card to the device. Add these options and a substantial number of Android users will consider iOS as a viable option.

scarface74 6y ago
Everything that makes Android Android outside of China is closed source Google Play Services. Google has been abandoning AOSP for years.
- Yetanfou 6y ago
  That's odd given that I've used nothing but AOSP-derived Android distributions since I got my first Android device. There is no Google-proprietary software on any of my devices, most software comes from F-Droid, some of it I build myself, two apps come from Aurora Store (an alternative front-end to the play store repository): Firefox Preview and Bank-ID (Swedish electronic ID app). ...and now you tell me I'm not running Android? Oh well, a rose by any other name...
  - scarface74 6y ago
    You and I both know that most people in the West wouldn’t go near an Android device that didn’t have the Google Play Store. How many people do you expect to do like their own apps.
    - Yetanfou 6y ago
      No, I do not know that, actually. It seems to depend on whether those people have someone at hand to introduce them to alternatives for the play store and the Google Services Framework (et al). Show them an Android device with F-Droid (or Aurora Droid pointed at the F-Droid repository) and Aurora Store and they'll feel right at home. As to whether that device runs microG [1] or GSF is of secondary importance to them just as long as it works. [1] https://microg.org/ https://microg.org/

scarface74 6y ago

Everything that makes Android Android outside of China is closed source Google Play Services. Google has been abandoning AOSP for years.

Yetanfou 6y ago
That's odd given that I've used nothing but AOSP-derived Android distributions since I got my first Android device. There is no Google-proprietary software on any of my devices, most software comes from F-Droid, some of it I build myself, two apps come from Aurora Store (an alternative front-end to the play store repository): Firefox Preview and Bank-ID (Swedish electronic ID app). ...and now you tell me I'm not running Android? Oh well, a rose by any other name...
- scarface74 6y ago
  You and I both know that most people in the West wouldn’t go near an Android device that didn’t have the Google Play Store. How many people do you expect to do like their own apps.
  - Yetanfou 6y ago
    No, I do not know that, actually. It seems to depend on whether those people have someone at hand to introduce them to alternatives for the play store and the Google Services Framework (et al). Show them an Android device with F-Droid (or Aurora Droid pointed at the F-Droid repository) and Aurora Store and they'll feel right at home. As to whether that device runs microG [1] or GSF is of secondary importance to them just as long as it works. [1] https://microg.org/ https://microg.org/