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How is lemmy going to avoid the fate of the last reddit alternative (voat)? Voat attracted the communities banned from reddit, e.g the worst of the worst: jailb

How is lemmy going to avoid the fate of the last reddit alternative (voat)? Voat attracted the communities banned from reddit, e.g the worst of the worst: jailbait, creepshots, beatingwomen, etc. The users most interested in an alternative to reddit are on average, the exact wrong type of user to help with the growth of a healthy community. I don't see any information on how being "federated" solves the hard problem of toxic communities, especially given that is the userbase it will attract.

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jimbob45 6y ago
Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits. If those start creeping into your politics, memes, and video game subreddits, then yeah you’ve got a rough problem.
- marcinzm 6y ago
  >Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits. Which wasn't enough as I understand since those communities would en-mass attack other communities that they disagreed with.
  - nothal 6y ago
    To be fair, this seems like a generally true case of how subreddits work. Leftist subs brigade, Conservative subs brigade, star wars subs brigade, subs about watching other subs brigade still brigade. It's unsolvable so long as people that disagree are allowed to freely access each other's reddits (not that that's a bad thing).
  - Hedja 6y ago
    This is what happens all across the web, regardless of software. Raiding. IRC raids, forum raids, etc. Sometimes it's for fun, sometimes it's more malicious. Most software has ways to mitigate it. Temporarily closing new registrations, invite only registrations, throttling, IP bans, etc. Just like DDoS attacks, there is no true solution to this since that's how the public web and internet works.
- ryder9 6y ago
  > nothing wrong with pedophilia or nazis
  - jimbob45 6y ago
    You’ve got to give people a space to consider both sides of every argument. Better to cordone off that space than have that discussion elsewhere. If you tell someone NEVER GO INTO THE LAST DOOR ON THE THIRD STORY, they’ll endlessly wonder what’s inside. If you show them that it’s your amateur paintings, they’ll never care again.
    - dpau 6y ago
      bit of a difference between educating people about nazism vs. giving actual neo-nazis a space to use for communication and recruitment.
    - IgorPartola 6y ago
      I don’t need to have a discussion with a guy who beats his wife because he never got help for his PTSD to know it’s wrong. Giving it a platform treats it like a point of view and not a gross fucking crime. I don’t need to talk to a Nazi to know that gassing Jews and gays is wrong. People seem to think that there are some unexplored ideas here that merit further discussion. We have already established that this shit is not what we want. Those in doubt can read accounts of domestic violence victims or a couple of history books to educate themselves.
      - Ar-Curunir 6y ago
        It’s just standard “both sides” crap
        ccsnags 6y ago
        Bothsidism is a straw man argument designed to present arguments that compare practical effects of different ideologies in bad faith and give rhetoric to people who have no business making the argument in the first place. Dismissing an argument based on rhetorical sophistry is keeping your head in the sand while trying to get others to do the same. It’s reckless.
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- meowface 6y ago
  The problem is when those communities constitute more than half of your users, they generally do creep into all of the other subreddits. See: 4chan. It wasn't always like it is now, but since /pol/ grew to be so big, now pretty much every board has a sizable or majority far-right contingent. It's even worse on Voat.
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INTPenis 6y ago
I don't view lemmy as I did voat. When I saw lemmy my first thought was that I wanted to host my own instance of this once federation works. I'm already hosting mastodon and synapse instances for the community. I believe strongly in hosting small federated community instances. This hobby costs me about 80USD/mon.
- jfk13 6y ago
  > costs me about 80USD/mon That sounds like it would immediately exclude a huge number of potential participants from doing something similar.
  - pferde 6y ago
    You don't need (and probably don't even want) every single participant doing this. A given community can pool money on a server of their own, and federate it with other communities' servers if they want.
  - maeln 6y ago
    You can host a mastodon instance on a small server that doesn't cost this much, and you can pool the money with a few friends to have your own community for a few €/month :). I remember people doing it with TeamSpeak, Minecraft, Counter-strike, etc. server, its the same !
  - INTPenis 6y ago
    I wasn't particular enough. I pay around 80USD/month for a 4G/2CPU/3node k8s cluster where I'm able to host Mastodon, Synapse, Riot-web and Elasticsearch. Included in the price is a persistent volume of 20G and object storage for media. The media storage is dirt cheap but it grows with the instance and users. One major issue some instance admins have is a lot of users uploading a lot of data. My instance is very small and also blocked registrations to EU. I expect to have enough capacity left over in my existing cluster to also host lemmy.
  - chrysoprace 6y ago
    That sort of cost is not necessary unless you're hosting a larger community. I run synapse (for myself, but it's idling at quite a low load so it could easily support more people) on a $10 USD/month Linode. For personal use you could get by on a $5 Nanode, but I'm using my VPS for other things, too. The great thing about federation is that you don't have to host an entire community; just a slice of it.
gopiandcode 6y ago
I believe this is more of a problem for centralized services - federation gives freedom to the user to choose the level of moderation/censorship they want - if you find certain communities distasteful, you can just join servers that block these communities. I think it is important however to have a strong emphasis on the separation of the servers from the protocol though - no one seems to care that Nazis could use email to have their own mailing lists.
- noobermin 6y ago
  The problem is no one used the federated services.
  - kixiQu 6y ago
    more than you'd think! https://fediverse.network/ https://fediverse.network/
    - jfk13 6y ago
      A drop in the ocean. Needs to be a couple of orders of magnitude greater to start becoming significant.
      - maeln 6y ago
        I like to compare the fediverse with the forums, TeamSpeak server, and nowaday discord server. It is not suppose to be a huge service with everybody on it a la Facebook, but rather a lot of small community that can interconnect to each other :) . Everybody use to run a PhpBB or alternative for their own community. I remember being part of multiple of them in the early 2010. A lot of them got replaced by subreddit or facebook page, and this is what the fediverse can replace. Not the whole of reddit or Facebook, but if you want a place for you and your friends to organize your dnd party, run your minecraft server, talk about passion X or Y, the fediverse can do that :) .
      - berkes 6y ago
        When it is useful to even just one person, it is useful. Open Source doesn't need 'masses' in order to 'be successful. A lot of people make the mistake of applying generic economics to Open Source and related communities. A federated mastodon or Lemmy instance is successful the moment one or more people use and enjoy it, nothing more. It does not need to have huge audiences to advertise to. It does not need to have Big Data to mine and sell. It doesn't need to pay employees, offices and bonuses. All it needs is one person enjoying it. Or two people having a meaningful interaction, to be successful .
brian-armstrong 6y ago
It's probably not possible in the current universe of the web, at least not without significant attention spent solely on this issue. In general a larger social network has more value if it can help you find people who share each of your interests, e.g. there is a subreddit for all things. There will always be a group of people who are drawn to new tech, but it needs to somehow actually solve a real problem that the old website didn't for most people to try it more than once. New platforms do solve the "oh no I've been deplatformed from Reddit" problem for... people who've been deplatformed from Reddit, so certainly it has real value for them. If Reddit swings the moderation hammer too hard, that could be certainly become a draw, but as it stands Reddit has actually banned very few communities, considering. Getting people to use a new website in any significant numbers is really hard, and there aren't that many examples of communities that have managed it in the time the internet has been alive. It's impressive that any have managed to stay relevant for more than a couple years.
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- arkades 6y ago
  > there is a subreddit for all things. 1. It needs to position itself as something other than not-reddit 2. There are a lot of issues Reddit really doesn't solve. Reddit encourages short, pithy, drive-by posts without much in the way of engagement at all. Compare old newsgroups, old forums, or even the average post here, compared to the average post (even in a niche sub) on reddit. Reddit:??Mysteryreplacement::Twitter:Blogs. I don't know what ??Mysteryreplacement will be, but there's certainly room for it.
wojciii 6y ago
Some subreddits were banned because other disliked the content. Like watchpeopledie. While the sub was disgusting banning it was for me the last nail in the coffin of social networks which decide what is the best for me. While I still use Reddit I'm looking for an alternative without the built-in censorship.
- TheMightyLlama 6y ago
  This is a really good point. Today most (if not all) social media platforms seem to be relying on a central or centralised moderation system. Meaning that the limits of the Overton window are defined by a small set of people rather than the community itself. Here, I purposefully state 'the community' rather than 'representatives of the community' as these are two very different things. Reddit for example is moderated by 'members of the community'. If we're to take reddit as an example moderation happens by individuals rather than all members of the community. And as such it is open to abuse whether it happens or not. I thought about this for a long time and decided to write up what I would consider to be an acceptable framework for any given social media platform which would: 1. Help define the Overton window in a more organic fashion 2. Allow the platform to function within different jurisdictions. 3. Remove the overhead of central administration and opinion checking. If it helps, I wrote it up here: https://gist.github.com/TheMightyLlama/bb77a05d3dde4da2511426e34279e7d6 https://gist.github.com/TheMightyLlama/bb77a05d3dde4da251142...
  - luckylion 6y ago
    > Meaning that the limits of the Overton window are defined by a small set of people rather than the community itself. I wonder if that's even the case, or if the range of allowed opinions is rather set by advertisers and investors. If Reddit had a very large, very lucrative Pro-Life community that essentially "kept the lights on" by providing high ad revenue, I doubt that they wouldn't cater to that community's wishes. They lean strongly to the left, because their audience does, and they want their audience to be happy so they stay and watch ads on their site.
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on_and_off 6y ago
heck, how is it going to avoid reddit's toxicity as well ? Some of the echo chambers on Reddit itself today are still very disturbing.
- ribble 6y ago
  r/politics - the biggest joke on the internet
mcintyre1994 6y ago
Their first rule would block most of that and seems to make it pretty clear they don’t want to host those communities: > No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct. Code of conduct links to https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUC... Their rules are a lot stricter than Reddit’s. I’m not sure how that in practice works with it being federated, but assuming their rules are enforceable and enforced it looks like they’re just not interested in that content.
- luckylion 6y ago
  That sounds like it applies to contributing to the source, not to users of the software, or they really want to make sure that there are few "what programming language should I use" flame wars with rules like Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.
  - mcintyre1994 6y ago
    True, but the things about bigotry and harassment seem more likely to apply to the site, unless big projects get weirdly abusive issues or PRs. And it is linked from rule 1 on the website, I’m guessing the website rules isn’t referring to rules for contributing. I think maybe it’s both. I certainly don’t get the impression they want to be a Voat style ‘Reddit for after you’re banned’, regardless.
    - luckylion 6y ago
      I understood the general goal the same way. As for CoC: I believe it's more of a signalling act than a reaction to past issues. Just like the KKK would add "no race mixing" to the rules, a left wing open source project needs to signal to their in group, and their main way of doing that is to say "no harassment based on [some criteria]".
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davidgerard 6y ago
It can work - compare Mastodon to Gab or Parler, for example.
yogthos 6y ago
Nothing can prevent terrible people from using an open source project. Meanwhile, Reddit doesn't do much of anything about this problem either. For, example /r/metacanada exists, and white supremacists from there are also moderating /r/canada subbreddit, Reddit hasn't taken any action on that. At least the developers of Lemmy are very clear [1] about their stance regarding nazis, that's more than I can say for Reddit. It's also worth noting that Mastodon has millions of users now, and it clearly isn't attracting the worst people. In fact, I find it's a far healthier and friendlier community than Twitter. [1] https://dev.lemmy.ml/post/34286 https://dev.lemmy.ml/post/34286
- lillesvin 6y ago
  The Reddit admins don't meddle in who moderates what. They'll take action on subreddits against the ToS but if someone's a mod on both /r/EvilShitThatsProbablyIllegal and /r/Kittens it's not something they're going to do anything about — and rightly so, IMO.
  - yogthos 6y ago
    The problem is that /r/metacanda is a hate sub for white supremacists by white supermacists. Apparently that's well within Reddit ToS though.
    - Vaslo 6y ago
      What is an example of a “White Supremacist” message on there? Not seeing anything supremacist in the first 10 or so top messages.
      - pasabagi 6y ago
        Nazis tend to have a lot of dog-whistles, and it's hard to keep up with them, but I tend to assume that any site that includes direct slurs ('retard', etc) with a lot of more subtle symbols (pepe everywhere, 'globalists') and a lot of content ridiculing various minorites and 'leftists' is probably a Nazi hangout.
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FriendlyNormie 6y ago
Stop being a little bitch who can’t handle words they don’t like and the problem magically solves itself.
x3haloed 6y ago
Because Lenny has a unique offering besides escaping the current Reddit regime: owning your own data. That’s a completely different motivator.
corobo 6y ago
Voat went out of their way to welcome banned communities. If you find yourself collecting them too, ban them.
honksillet 6y ago
Gab has similar problems. The thing is Reddit is making the definition of objectionable broader and broader. At this point it includes basically anyone with mainstream conservative political views. They have gone (way) too far and people are looking for alternatives anywhere and everywhere where they won't be banned, shadow banned or quarantined. I just got text from a high school friend inviting me to something called Parler. I have no idea if it's worth while but I am happy to see that people are pushing back.
retpirato 6y ago
To me those interested in an alt-reddit are interested because they want an alternative to the echo-chamber that is reddit. Those you mention could be found on any site & just have to be banned.

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jimbob45 6y ago

Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits. If those start creeping into your politics, memes, and video game subreddits, then yeah you’ve got a rough problem.

marcinzm 6y ago
>Nothing wrong with communities like that as long as you keep them segregated like reddit does with each of its subreddits. Which wasn't enough as I understand since those communities would en-mass attack other communities that they disagreed with.
- nothal 6y ago
  To be fair, this seems like a generally true case of how subreddits work. Leftist subs brigade, Conservative subs brigade, star wars subs brigade, subs about watching other subs brigade still brigade. It's unsolvable so long as people that disagree are allowed to freely access each other's reddits (not that that's a bad thing).
- Hedja 6y ago
  This is what happens all across the web, regardless of software. Raiding. IRC raids, forum raids, etc. Sometimes it's for fun, sometimes it's more malicious. Most software has ways to mitigate it. Temporarily closing new registrations, invite only registrations, throttling, IP bans, etc. Just like DDoS attacks, there is no true solution to this since that's how the public web and internet works.
ryder9 6y ago
> nothing wrong with pedophilia or nazis
- jimbob45 6y ago
  You’ve got to give people a space to consider both sides of every argument. Better to cordone off that space than have that discussion elsewhere. If you tell someone NEVER GO INTO THE LAST DOOR ON THE THIRD STORY, they’ll endlessly wonder what’s inside. If you show them that it’s your amateur paintings, they’ll never care again.
  - dpau 6y ago
    bit of a difference between educating people about nazism vs. giving actual neo-nazis a space to use for communication and recruitment.
  - IgorPartola 6y ago
    I don’t need to have a discussion with a guy who beats his wife because he never got help for his PTSD to know it’s wrong. Giving it a platform treats it like a point of view and not a gross fucking crime. I don’t need to talk to a Nazi to know that gassing Jews and gays is wrong. People seem to think that there are some unexplored ideas here that merit further discussion. We have already established that this shit is not what we want. Those in doubt can read accounts of domestic violence victims or a couple of history books to educate themselves.
    - Ar-Curunir 6y ago
      It’s just standard “both sides” crap
      - ccsnags 6y ago
        Bothsidism is a straw man argument designed to present arguments that compare practical effects of different ideologies in bad faith and give rhetoric to people who have no business making the argument in the first place. Dismissing an argument based on rhetorical sophistry is keeping your head in the sand while trying to get others to do the same. It’s reckless.
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meowface 6y ago
The problem is when those communities constitute more than half of your users, they generally do creep into all of the other subreddits. See: 4chan. It wasn't always like it is now, but since /pol/ grew to be so big, now pretty much every board has a sizable or majority far-right contingent. It's even worse on Voat.

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INTPenis 6y ago

I don't view lemmy as I did voat. When I saw lemmy my first thought was that I wanted to host my own instance of this once federation works. I'm already hosting mastodon and synapse instances for the community. I believe strongly in hosting small federated community instances. This hobby costs me about 80USD/mon.

jfk13 6y ago
> costs me about 80USD/mon That sounds like it would immediately exclude a huge number of potential participants from doing something similar.
- pferde 6y ago
  You don't need (and probably don't even want) every single participant doing this. A given community can pool money on a server of their own, and federate it with other communities' servers if they want.
- maeln 6y ago
  You can host a mastodon instance on a small server that doesn't cost this much, and you can pool the money with a few friends to have your own community for a few €/month :). I remember people doing it with TeamSpeak, Minecraft, Counter-strike, etc. server, its the same !
- INTPenis 6y ago
  I wasn't particular enough. I pay around 80USD/month for a 4G/2CPU/3node k8s cluster where I'm able to host Mastodon, Synapse, Riot-web and Elasticsearch. Included in the price is a persistent volume of 20G and object storage for media. The media storage is dirt cheap but it grows with the instance and users. One major issue some instance admins have is a lot of users uploading a lot of data. My instance is very small and also blocked registrations to EU. I expect to have enough capacity left over in my existing cluster to also host lemmy.
- chrysoprace 6y ago
  That sort of cost is not necessary unless you're hosting a larger community. I run synapse (for myself, but it's idling at quite a low load so it could easily support more people) on a $10 USD/month Linode. For personal use you could get by on a $5 Nanode, but I'm using my VPS for other things, too. The great thing about federation is that you don't have to host an entire community; just a slice of it.

gopiandcode 6y ago

I believe this is more of a problem for centralized services - federation gives freedom to the user to choose the level of moderation/censorship they want - if you find certain communities distasteful, you can just join servers that block these communities. I think it is important however to have a strong emphasis on the separation of the servers from the protocol though - no one seems to care that Nazis could use email to have their own mailing lists.

noobermin 6y ago
The problem is no one used the federated services.
- kixiQu 6y ago
  more than you'd think! https://fediverse.network/ https://fediverse.network/
  - jfk13 6y ago
    A drop in the ocean. Needs to be a couple of orders of magnitude greater to start becoming significant.
    - maeln 6y ago
      I like to compare the fediverse with the forums, TeamSpeak server, and nowaday discord server. It is not suppose to be a huge service with everybody on it a la Facebook, but rather a lot of small community that can interconnect to each other :) . Everybody use to run a PhpBB or alternative for their own community. I remember being part of multiple of them in the early 2010. A lot of them got replaced by subreddit or facebook page, and this is what the fediverse can replace. Not the whole of reddit or Facebook, but if you want a place for you and your friends to organize your dnd party, run your minecraft server, talk about passion X or Y, the fediverse can do that :) .
    - berkes 6y ago
      When it is useful to even just one person, it is useful. Open Source doesn't need 'masses' in order to 'be successful. A lot of people make the mistake of applying generic economics to Open Source and related communities. A federated mastodon or Lemmy instance is successful the moment one or more people use and enjoy it, nothing more. It does not need to have huge audiences to advertise to. It does not need to have Big Data to mine and sell. It doesn't need to pay employees, offices and bonuses. All it needs is one person enjoying it. Or two people having a meaningful interaction, to be successful .

brian-armstrong 6y ago

It's probably not possible in the current universe of the web, at least not without significant attention spent solely on this issue. In general a larger social network has more value if it can help you find people who share each of your interests, e.g. there is a subreddit for all things. There will always be a group of people who are drawn to new tech, but it needs to somehow actually solve a real problem that the old website didn't for most people to try it more than once. New platforms do solve the "oh no I've been deplatformed from Reddit" problem for... people who've been deplatformed from Reddit, so certainly it has real value for them. If Reddit swings the moderation hammer too hard, that could be certainly become a draw, but as it stands Reddit has actually banned very few communities, considering. Getting people to use a new website in any significant numbers is really hard, and there aren't that many examples of communities that have managed it in the time the internet has been alive. It's impressive that any have managed to stay relevant for more than a couple years.

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arkades 6y ago
> there is a subreddit for all things. 1. It needs to position itself as something other than not-reddit 2. There are a lot of issues Reddit really doesn't solve. Reddit encourages short, pithy, drive-by posts without much in the way of engagement at all. Compare old newsgroups, old forums, or even the average post here, compared to the average post (even in a niche sub) on reddit. Reddit:??Mysteryreplacement::Twitter:Blogs. I don't know what ??Mysteryreplacement will be, but there's certainly room for it.

wojciii 6y ago

Some subreddits were banned because other disliked the content. Like watchpeopledie. While the sub was disgusting banning it was for me the last nail in the coffin of social networks which decide what is the best for me. While I still use Reddit I'm looking for an alternative without the built-in censorship.

TheMightyLlama 6y ago
This is a really good point. Today most (if not all) social media platforms seem to be relying on a central or centralised moderation system. Meaning that the limits of the Overton window are defined by a small set of people rather than the community itself. Here, I purposefully state 'the community' rather than 'representatives of the community' as these are two very different things. Reddit for example is moderated by 'members of the community'. If we're to take reddit as an example moderation happens by individuals rather than all members of the community. And as such it is open to abuse whether it happens or not. I thought about this for a long time and decided to write up what I would consider to be an acceptable framework for any given social media platform which would: 1. Help define the Overton window in a more organic fashion 2. Allow the platform to function within different jurisdictions. 3. Remove the overhead of central administration and opinion checking. If it helps, I wrote it up here: https://gist.github.com/TheMightyLlama/bb77a05d3dde4da2511426e34279e7d6 https://gist.github.com/TheMightyLlama/bb77a05d3dde4da251142...
- luckylion 6y ago
  > Meaning that the limits of the Overton window are defined by a small set of people rather than the community itself. I wonder if that's even the case, or if the range of allowed opinions is rather set by advertisers and investors. If Reddit had a very large, very lucrative Pro-Life community that essentially "kept the lights on" by providing high ad revenue, I doubt that they wouldn't cater to that community's wishes. They lean strongly to the left, because their audience does, and they want their audience to be happy so they stay and watch ads on their site.
  - kangaroozach 6y ago

on_and_off 6y ago

heck, how is it going to avoid reddit's toxicity as well ? Some of the echo chambers on Reddit itself today are still very disturbing.

ribble 6y ago
r/politics - the biggest joke on the internet

mcintyre1994 6y ago

Their first rule would block most of that and seems to make it pretty clear they don’t want to host those communities: > No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct. Code of conduct links to https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/master/CODE_OF_CONDUC... Their rules are a lot stricter than Reddit’s. I’m not sure how that in practice works with it being federated, but assuming their rules are enforceable and enforced it looks like they’re just not interested in that content.

luckylion 6y ago
That sounds like it applies to contributing to the source, not to users of the software, or they really want to make sure that there are few "what programming language should I use" flame wars with rules like Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.
- mcintyre1994 6y ago
  True, but the things about bigotry and harassment seem more likely to apply to the site, unless big projects get weirdly abusive issues or PRs. And it is linked from rule 1 on the website, I’m guessing the website rules isn’t referring to rules for contributing. I think maybe it’s both. I certainly don’t get the impression they want to be a Voat style ‘Reddit for after you’re banned’, regardless.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    I understood the general goal the same way. As for CoC: I believe it's more of a signalling act than a reaction to past issues. Just like the KKK would add "no race mixing" to the rules, a left wing open source project needs to signal to their in group, and their main way of doing that is to say "no harassment based on [some criteria]".
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davidgerard 6y ago

It can work - compare Mastodon to Gab or Parler, for example.

yogthos 6y ago

Nothing can prevent terrible people from using an open source project. Meanwhile, Reddit doesn't do much of anything about this problem either. For, example /r/metacanada exists, and white supremacists from there are also moderating /r/canada subbreddit, Reddit hasn't taken any action on that. At least the developers of Lemmy are very clear [1] about their stance regarding nazis, that's more than I can say for Reddit. It's also worth noting that Mastodon has millions of users now, and it clearly isn't attracting the worst people. In fact, I find it's a far healthier and friendlier community than Twitter. [1] https://dev.lemmy.ml/post/34286 https://dev.lemmy.ml/post/34286

lillesvin 6y ago
The Reddit admins don't meddle in who moderates what. They'll take action on subreddits against the ToS but if someone's a mod on both /r/EvilShitThatsProbablyIllegal and /r/Kittens it's not something they're going to do anything about — and rightly so, IMO.
- yogthos 6y ago
  The problem is that /r/metacanda is a hate sub for white supremacists by white supermacists. Apparently that's well within Reddit ToS though.
  - Vaslo 6y ago
    What is an example of a “White Supremacist” message on there? Not seeing anything supremacist in the first 10 or so top messages.
    - pasabagi 6y ago
      Nazis tend to have a lot of dog-whistles, and it's hard to keep up with them, but I tend to assume that any site that includes direct slurs ('retard', etc) with a lot of more subtle symbols (pepe everywhere, 'globalists') and a lot of content ridiculing various minorites and 'leftists' is probably a Nazi hangout.
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FriendlyNormie 6y ago

Stop being a little bitch who can’t handle words they don’t like and the problem magically solves itself.

x3haloed 6y ago

Because Lenny has a unique offering besides escaping the current Reddit regime: owning your own data. That’s a completely different motivator.

corobo 6y ago

Voat went out of their way to welcome banned communities. If you find yourself collecting them too, ban them.

honksillet 6y ago

Gab has similar problems. The thing is Reddit is making the definition of objectionable broader and broader. At this point it includes basically anyone with mainstream conservative political views. They have gone (way) too far and people are looking for alternatives anywhere and everywhere where they won't be banned, shadow banned or quarantined. I just got text from a high school friend inviting me to something called Parler. I have no idea if it's worth while but I am happy to see that people are pushing back.

retpirato 6y ago

To me those interested in an alt-reddit are interested because they want an alternative to the echo-chamber that is reddit. Those you mention could be found on any site & just have to be banned.