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What would that revenue stream be?

by ricardobeat 6y ago

dodobirdlord 6y ago
Their own marketing and product teams surely use this data.
- pests 6y ago
  So companies can't even look at their own data now? I'm pretty sure most people are okay with that.
  - serf 6y ago
    > So companies can't even look at their own data now? I'm pretty sure most people are okay with that. people start caring when those companies own half the world. Apple owns tons of media groups. I don't want to participate in a pseudo market-testing-group just by virtue of owning an iPhone. We're not talking about data and analytics being collected on phones for phones, we're talking about data and analytics being collected on phones and then sat on for a future project, likely not phone related. I'm a people, and i'm not okay with that.
    - pests 6y ago
      I understand the argument, my issue was with people conflating three things: 1. Collecting data for internal use 2. Collecting data to sell targeted ads with. 3. Collecting data to directly sell to other parties. My problem with your suggestion to limit internal data analysis (option 1) is where is the line drawn? Can "Netflix Streaming Department" share data with "Netflix Original Programming" in your idea? Isn't that the whole point tho?
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cosmojg 6y ago
Selling hardware and insurance for said hardware. Also taking a cut of all purchases on their various platforms.
MintelIE 6y ago
Nobody has any idea, actually. Apple's EULAs give them the "right" to basically do whatever they like with your data. Does Apple actually disclose what they do with your data? And how have these policies changed over time? Nobody knows what they're doing. It's why it's smarter to just keep your data away from companies.
- ricardobeat 6y ago
  Yes, they, do I linked to one of the disclaimers in another comment: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223
  - MintelIE 6y ago
    Do they reserve the right to change this at any time and indemnify themselves if something goes "wrong?"
    - ricardobeat 6y ago
      Isn't that another strawman? You're gonna find clauses like that in every legal agreement on earth, the relevant points here are what they commit to and how they act and have acted historically. You can of course not trust them and keep your data away, it's your choice; but there is no question they are the most privacy respecting of the bunch - because, as the OP said, they are a hardware and services company and staying that way is a competitive advantage.
      - MintelIE 6y ago
        In theory this is a good argument. But unless Apple decides to share a complete list of all companies it has partnered with and given or sold data to, individual, anonymized, and / or aggregate, all we have is feelings on the matter and theoretics.

What would that revenue stream be?

dodobirdlord 6y ago

Their own marketing and product teams surely use this data.

pests 6y ago
So companies can't even look at their own data now? I'm pretty sure most people are okay with that.
- serf 6y ago
  > So companies can't even look at their own data now? I'm pretty sure most people are okay with that. people start caring when those companies own half the world. Apple owns tons of media groups. I don't want to participate in a pseudo market-testing-group just by virtue of owning an iPhone. We're not talking about data and analytics being collected on phones for phones, we're talking about data and analytics being collected on phones and then sat on for a future project, likely not phone related. I'm a people, and i'm not okay with that.
  - pests 6y ago
    I understand the argument, my issue was with people conflating three things: 1. Collecting data for internal use 2. Collecting data to sell targeted ads with. 3. Collecting data to directly sell to other parties. My problem with your suggestion to limit internal data analysis (option 1) is where is the line drawn? Can "Netflix Streaming Department" share data with "Netflix Original Programming" in your idea? Isn't that the whole point tho?
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cosmojg 6y ago

Selling hardware and insurance for said hardware. Also taking a cut of all purchases on their various platforms.

MintelIE 6y ago

Nobody has any idea, actually. Apple's EULAs give them the "right" to basically do whatever they like with your data. Does Apple actually disclose what they do with your data? And how have these policies changed over time? Nobody knows what they're doing. It's why it's smarter to just keep your data away from companies.

ricardobeat 6y ago
Yes, they, do I linked to one of the disclaimers in another comment: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223
- MintelIE 6y ago
  Do they reserve the right to change this at any time and indemnify themselves if something goes "wrong?"
  - ricardobeat 6y ago
    Isn't that another strawman? You're gonna find clauses like that in every legal agreement on earth, the relevant points here are what they commit to and how they act and have acted historically. You can of course not trust them and keep your data away, it's your choice; but there is no question they are the most privacy respecting of the bunch - because, as the OP said, they are a hardware and services company and staying that way is a competitive advantage.
    - MintelIE 6y ago
      In theory this is a good argument. But unless Apple decides to share a complete list of all companies it has partnered with and given or sold data to, individual, anonymized, and / or aggregate, all we have is feelings on the matter and theoretics.