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Are you saying that extraterrestrial intelligence is not “a strange phenomena perfectly explainable by physics”?

by hnarn 6y ago

antepodius 6y ago
The map is not the territory; the way people stumble through their maps has little to do with the territory. People's intuitive maps don't tend to distinguish greatly between the plausibility of sapient suns and the plausibility of sapient aliens.
dreamcompiler 6y ago
Of course life at a deep level is just physics. But given that the information content of this signal is relatively low (regular patterns of repeats) and that the amount of energy it requires is immense, I'd bet much more heavily on a natural phenomenon than life-directed activity.
TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
There's no evidence extraterrestrial intelligence is a phenomenon at all. [1] We can worry about whether it's explainable by 21st century human physics when that stops being true. [1] Although there is evidence very weird things have happened on Earth, like the recent confirmation that the US Navy UFO videos are genuine. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/pentagon-releases-three-ufo-videos-taken-by-us-navy-pilots https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/pentagon-relea...
- hnarn 6y ago
  I’m not saying there’s evidence, I’m just pointing out that it’s a strange dichotomy to say that one one hand, we have explainable phenomena, and on the other hand we have extraterrestrial life. If we ever do find proof of it, I don’t understand why the assumption should be that it won’t be explainable.
- acqq 6y ago
  Not weird at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus Mick West's full playlist with explanations: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-4ZqTjKmhn5Qr0tCHkCVnqTx_c0P3O2t https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-4ZqTjKmhn5Qr0tCHkCV... An article mentioning Mick West: https://petapixel.com/2020/04/28/that-navy-ufo-footage-has-an-optical-explanation/ https://petapixel.com/2020/04/28/that-navy-ufo-footage-has-a... https://petapixel.com/2020/04/28/that-navy-ufo-footage-has-an-optical-explanation/ https://petapixel.com/2020/04/28/that-navy-ufo-footage-has-a...

Are you saying that extraterrestrial intelligence is not “a strange phenomena perfectly explainable by physics”?

by hnarn 6y ago

Are you saying that extraterrestrial intelligence is not “a strange phenomena perfectly explainable by physics”?

The map is not the territory; the way people stumble through their maps has little to do with the territory. People's intuitive maps don't tend to distinguish greatly between the plausibility of sapient suns and the plausibility of sapient aliens.

dreamcompiler 6y ago

Of course life at a deep level is just physics. But given that the information content of this signal is relatively low (regular patterns of repeats) and that the amount of energy it requires is immense, I'd bet much more heavily on a natural phenomenon than life-directed activity.

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago

There's no evidence extraterrestrial intelligence is a phenomenon at all. [1] We can worry about whether it's explainable by 21st century human physics when that stops being true. [1] Although there is evidence very weird things have happened on Earth, like the recent confirmation that the US Navy UFO videos are genuine. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/pentagon-releases-three-ufo-videos-taken-by-us-navy-pilots https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/pentagon-relea...

hnarn 6y ago
I’m not saying there’s evidence, I’m just pointing out that it’s a strange dichotomy to say that one one hand, we have explainable phenomena, and on the other hand we have extraterrestrial life. If we ever do find proof of it, I don’t understand why the assumption should be that it won’t be explainable.
acqq 6y ago
Not weird at all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus Mick West's full playlist with explanations: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-4ZqTjKmhn5Qr0tCHkCVnqTx_c0P3O2t https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-4ZqTjKmhn5Qr0tCHkCV... An article mentioning Mick West: https://petapixel.com/2020/04/28/that-navy-ufo-footage-has-an-optical-explanation/ https://petapixel.com/2020/04/28/that-navy-ufo-footage-has-a... https://petapixel.com/2020/04/28/that-navy-ufo-footage-has-an-optical-explanation/ https://petapixel.com/2020/04/28/that-navy-ufo-footage-has-a...