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The year that Brendan Eich donated for the proposition against gay marriage (6 years before he was fired), 52% of Californian voters and the president (Barack O

The year that Brendan Eich donated for the proposition against gay marriage (6 years before he was fired), 52% of Californian voters and the president (Barack Obama) agreed with him. This is why anonymous voting is important, so that it is harder to retroactively punish the other 7 million people that supported the proposition, many of whom have probably changed their mind since then. Also, "big-government bigoted shit" would have to describe literally every government in human history before the year 2001 when the Netherlands formally recognized same-sex marriage as equivalent to opposite-sex marriage.

renewiltord 6y ago
That's right. And the Chinese Exclusion Act was generally popular too. Also big-government bigoted shit. That's the funny thing about bigotry. It doesn't matter how big your posse is. You can still be bigoted. For instance, oppression of the Uighur community is generally tolerated in China. The support is greater than the 52%. Still bigotry.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Yes, that is something you could always do. But are you going to hold it against every single individual Chinese who supports such oppression? How about ever Chinese who “supports” such oppression? The environment you’re in has a huge effect on the views you have; should you be allowed to rethink those?
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    I think it would be fair to hold it against anyone who believes it's acceptable. I'm pretty forgiving of those under a regime merely trying to survive, but if then they voluntarily gave 1000 RMB to a "Let's keep the Uighurs Oppressed" charity which tries to convince the Politburo that more attacks are better than fewer attacks, I think I'm going to judge them for using the instrument of the state as a weapon against people, yeah. And because my society is free, I get to judge. And because my society is free, I get to speak my mind. And because my society is free, I get to say, "I won't use this product". And because my society is free, you get to say, "Oh okay, I'll do what you want" or you can say "Fine, don't use the product". We're just people interacting freely. And thank god for liberty.

renewiltord 6y ago

That's right. And the Chinese Exclusion Act was generally popular too. Also big-government bigoted shit. That's the funny thing about bigotry. It doesn't matter how big your posse is. You can still be bigoted. For instance, oppression of the Uighur community is generally tolerated in China. The support is greater than the 52%. Still bigotry.

saagarjha 6y ago
Yes, that is something you could always do. But are you going to hold it against every single individual Chinese who supports such oppression? How about ever Chinese who “supports” such oppression? The environment you’re in has a huge effect on the views you have; should you be allowed to rethink those?
- renewiltord 6y ago
  I think it would be fair to hold it against anyone who believes it's acceptable. I'm pretty forgiving of those under a regime merely trying to survive, but if then they voluntarily gave 1000 RMB to a "Let's keep the Uighurs Oppressed" charity which tries to convince the Politburo that more attacks are better than fewer attacks, I think I'm going to judge them for using the instrument of the state as a weapon against people, yeah. And because my society is free, I get to judge. And because my society is free, I get to speak my mind. And because my society is free, I get to say, "I won't use this product". And because my society is free, you get to say, "Oh okay, I'll do what you want" or you can say "Fine, don't use the product". We're just people interacting freely. And thank god for liberty.