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> now its really about how this is addressed > at least now we have an ability to usher in a new value system I am not sure I follow the point you are trying

> now its really about how this is addressed > at least now we have an ability to usher in a new value system I am not sure I follow the point you are trying to make. What is this newly found ability you are talking about? What is so special about now and how we address it? What has changed in the last 15 years? I don't see any progress at all. Emissions just keep rising year after year.

Melting_Harps 6y ago
Methane leaks are a byproduct of short sighted designs, and not having the incentives to ensure it doesn't occur, here is another example: in Bitcoin, Mining is seen as a horrible environmental disaster and why POW systems are impractical by those who do not understand the issue its trying to address. This is negating many things, not least of which that most of the network is not just utilizing renewable energy, but its spurring on its growth into areas outside of what exists (see: Peter Thiel's Bitcoin farm running off of Wind in Texas), but the heat generated from the process is thought to be a waste byproduct any many miners prefer to go to Iceland where Geo-thermal can be utilized as well as the cold weather to cool down the miners. While this is good enough for some, this can be further improved to create other ancillary goods/services, too. Check this Bitcoin farm that sought to utilize the 'wasted byproduct' [1] and there are others who did something similar to try and offset the obvious massive use of energy (they create starter plants without a greenhouse etc...). This level of recapturing 'waste' solutions should be mandated, and not optional for all Fossil Fuel based energy. This will at least ensure we stop needlessly over producing the stuff, as we've seen with OPEC trying to do to keep the price of oil from crashing its clear we don't need that much if we introduce WFH solutions permanently to as much as we can, and force the Market to find what is and isn't deemed vital to keep operational using Fossil Fuel while we transition to more renewable based EV models. > What has changed in the last 15 years? A lot, Hemp went from being a schedule 1 drug to a 50 state legal crop something that most homes should utilize as it not only is an amazing insulator, which reduces the need for Heating/AC, but also sequestrates carbon as it cures and when its grown. I also saw the advent of EV re-emerge stronger than ever and has become a now fashion statement and status symbol where it was seen as fringe and impractical. I've spent most of my time in having been involved in the Organic and sustainable movement we've seen a significant amount of people shift towards choosing to eat that way and the idea of farm to table is now catching up with the environmental European standards after the exposure from foodies and shows like Chef's Table and Anthony Bourdain's. This has also led to business models that rely entirely on re-capturing food loss and reselling them as value added products--my former co-worker was also a farmer and got sent to hang out with Dan Barber in NY and he now has an ice cream and sorbet business that uses fruit/food from vendors that are not being utilized at a significant discount. > I don't see any progress at all. Emissions just keep rising year after year. Then you're not paying attention to the progress and are succumbing to the pessimism you've built around the issue; I grew up in SoCal where airplanes had trouble landing because of the amount of smog. In less than a decade of enacting the clean air mandate that went entirely away, it wasn't perfect because of population density, but then when COVID lockdowns were issued it happened again and we saw just quickly things turn around. What I'm saying is that things are not all doomed, and we live in a remarkable period in Human History where we can collectively actually solve meaningful problems if the will exists. I'm personally a big proponent of colonizing Mars, mainly because it was in my mind the most effective challenge that could alter Human consciousness to try and see how inhospitable this Universe really is to Life and that we should take care of the Earth. It could also lessen the burden we have on extracting and expending this planet's resources. Honestly, I think you should try and reach out to your community and volunteer in a community garden to see how you can transform that anxiety and depression you feel (that I often felt, too) into meaningful change you want see in the World. I see these things as improvements because some of us paid for this to occur with physical/emotional pain, blood, sweat and tears and we've grown from the experience. And to be honest, I think this is a vital part of the Human condition that most lack these days because Life has become some insulating that it gives you one the illusion that they can do an otherwise feckless thing in Society and think they have it all figured out and succumb to depression and anxiety--I felt this way in my early 20s. When the truth is if most of those people were suddenly placed in a rural area without the comforts that Civilization affords us they'd probably be the first die of thirst or starvation. 1: https://bitcoinist.com/canadas-sustainable-bitcoin-mining-used-to-farm-fish-and-crops/ https://bitcoinist.com/canadas-sustainable-bitcoin-mining-us...
- perfunctory 6y ago
  > It has always shocked me how an endless amount of money exists to prop up a broken financial system (specifically banks and fiat currencies) that eventually lead to environmental destruction has anything changed in regard to that endless amount of money? COVID recovery plans > According to analyst company Bloomberg New Energy Finance, more than half a trillion dollars worldwide – $509bn – is to be poured into high-carbon industries, with no conditions to ensure they reduce their carbon output. Only about $12.3bn of the spending announced by late last month was set to go towards low-carbon industries, and a further $18.5bn into high-carbon industries provided they achieve climate targets. [0] Yes, community garden will definitely help. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/18/world-has-six-months-to-avert-climate-crisis-says-energy-expert https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/18/world-ha...
  - Melting_Harps 6y ago
    > has anything changed in regard to that endless amount of money? COVID recovery plans Yes, that fiat currencies are not just predictably absurd and end poorly, but we're now in an transition period where they are all likely to fail at the same time and for the same reason. It will take time as they're all printing simultaneously, and the CCP seems intent to drive the World into WW3. But the collective Human will seems open to radical change, now more than ever in my Lifetime because of the disruption caused by COVID. The entire system has failed and its going to take people to make those changes, maybe try a to see where you fit in all of that instead of just succumbing to defeatism and pining about your 'hapless existence.' > According to analyst company Bloomberg New Energy Finance, more than half a trillion dollars worldwide – $509bn Again, you can see this is an daunting task that cannot be solved, and just kill yourself now as its the way this all ends anyway, so ultimately you're just accelerating the time it will take you to get there... or, you can actually do something about it and maybe help your metal state and psyche in the process. The choice is entirely yours. I'm actually more excited about Life than I ever have on my time on this Planet. Mainly because I've been involved in so many things that that led to paradigm changes.

Melting_Harps 6y ago

Methane leaks are a byproduct of short sighted designs, and not having the incentives to ensure it doesn't occur, here is another example: in Bitcoin, Mining is seen as a horrible environmental disaster and why POW systems are impractical by those who do not understand the issue its trying to address. This is negating many things, not least of which that most of the network is not just utilizing renewable energy, but its spurring on its growth into areas outside of what exists (see: Peter Thiel's Bitcoin farm running off of Wind in Texas), but the heat generated from the process is thought to be a waste byproduct any many miners prefer to go to Iceland where Geo-thermal can be utilized as well as the cold weather to cool down the miners. While this is good enough for some, this can be further improved to create other ancillary goods/services, too. Check this Bitcoin farm that sought to utilize the 'wasted byproduct' [1] and there are others who did something similar to try and offset the obvious massive use of energy (they create starter plants without a greenhouse etc...). This level of recapturing 'waste' solutions should be mandated, and not optional for all Fossil Fuel based energy. This will at least ensure we stop needlessly over producing the stuff, as we've seen with OPEC trying to do to keep the price of oil from crashing its clear we don't need that much if we introduce WFH solutions permanently to as much as we can, and force the Market to find what is and isn't deemed vital to keep operational using Fossil Fuel while we transition to more renewable based EV models. > What has changed in the last 15 years? A lot, Hemp went from being a schedule 1 drug to a 50 state legal crop something that most homes should utilize as it not only is an amazing insulator, which reduces the need for Heating/AC, but also sequestrates carbon as it cures and when its grown. I also saw the advent of EV re-emerge stronger than ever and has become a now fashion statement and status symbol where it was seen as fringe and impractical. I've spent most of my time in having been involved in the Organic and sustainable movement we've seen a significant amount of people shift towards choosing to eat that way and the idea of farm to table is now catching up with the environmental European standards after the exposure from foodies and shows like Chef's Table and Anthony Bourdain's. This has also led to business models that rely entirely on re-capturing food loss and reselling them as value added products--my former co-worker was also a farmer and got sent to hang out with Dan Barber in NY and he now has an ice cream and sorbet business that uses fruit/food from vendors that are not being utilized at a significant discount. > I don't see any progress at all. Emissions just keep rising year after year. Then you're not paying attention to the progress and are succumbing to the pessimism you've built around the issue; I grew up in SoCal where airplanes had trouble landing because of the amount of smog. In less than a decade of enacting the clean air mandate that went entirely away, it wasn't perfect because of population density, but then when COVID lockdowns were issued it happened again and we saw just quickly things turn around. What I'm saying is that things are not all doomed, and we live in a remarkable period in Human History where we can collectively actually solve meaningful problems if the will exists. I'm personally a big proponent of colonizing Mars, mainly because it was in my mind the most effective challenge that could alter Human consciousness to try and see how inhospitable this Universe really is to Life and that we should take care of the Earth. It could also lessen the burden we have on extracting and expending this planet's resources. Honestly, I think you should try and reach out to your community and volunteer in a community garden to see how you can transform that anxiety and depression you feel (that I often felt, too) into meaningful change you want see in the World. I see these things as improvements because some of us paid for this to occur with physical/emotional pain, blood, sweat and tears and we've grown from the experience. And to be honest, I think this is a vital part of the Human condition that most lack these days because Life has become some insulating that it gives you one the illusion that they can do an otherwise feckless thing in Society and think they have it all figured out and succumb to depression and anxiety--I felt this way in my early 20s. When the truth is if most of those people were suddenly placed in a rural area without the comforts that Civilization affords us they'd probably be the first die of thirst or starvation. 1: https://bitcoinist.com/canadas-sustainable-bitcoin-mining-used-to-farm-fish-and-crops/ https://bitcoinist.com/canadas-sustainable-bitcoin-mining-us...

perfunctory 6y ago
> It has always shocked me how an endless amount of money exists to prop up a broken financial system (specifically banks and fiat currencies) that eventually lead to environmental destruction has anything changed in regard to that endless amount of money? COVID recovery plans > According to analyst company Bloomberg New Energy Finance, more than half a trillion dollars worldwide – $509bn – is to be poured into high-carbon industries, with no conditions to ensure they reduce their carbon output. Only about $12.3bn of the spending announced by late last month was set to go towards low-carbon industries, and a further $18.5bn into high-carbon industries provided they achieve climate targets. [0] Yes, community garden will definitely help. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/18/world-has-six-months-to-avert-climate-crisis-says-energy-expert https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/18/world-ha...
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > has anything changed in regard to that endless amount of money? COVID recovery plans Yes, that fiat currencies are not just predictably absurd and end poorly, but we're now in an transition period where they are all likely to fail at the same time and for the same reason. It will take time as they're all printing simultaneously, and the CCP seems intent to drive the World into WW3. But the collective Human will seems open to radical change, now more than ever in my Lifetime because of the disruption caused by COVID. The entire system has failed and its going to take people to make those changes, maybe try a to see where you fit in all of that instead of just succumbing to defeatism and pining about your 'hapless existence.' > According to analyst company Bloomberg New Energy Finance, more than half a trillion dollars worldwide – $509bn Again, you can see this is an daunting task that cannot be solved, and just kill yourself now as its the way this all ends anyway, so ultimately you're just accelerating the time it will take you to get there... or, you can actually do something about it and maybe help your metal state and psyche in the process. The choice is entirely yours. I'm actually more excited about Life than I ever have on my time on this Planet. Mainly because I've been involved in so many things that that led to paradigm changes.