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I'd love to hear about the long list of issues that require updating on Mac. I have many old Macs and I've never seen an issue that require updating other than

I'd love to hear about the long list of issues that require updating on Mac. I have many old Macs and I've never seen an issue that require updating other than new software (especially from the App Store) requiring a newer OS or the inconvenience that Safari updates are tied to OS updates. The idea that Mac is unstable and requires a lot of updates and reboots to just function is news to me...

jimnotgym 6y ago
'I can't send emails' 'I have not received any emails today' 'I can't save a file I have been working on all day' These are so common from my Apple using user segment that they are running jokes in our IT team. I have a feeling abou tthe root cause (below)...but they are exacerbated by the user base beleiveing some myth that Mac's somehow do not need updating and rebooting. And before anyone asks, I have actually heard the words 'I don't need to reboot I'm on a Mac.' come out of a users mouth. I have been watching our remote management tools and Windows users seem to see shutting down at the end of the day as normal behaviour, whereas my Mac users tend to restart when they have to. (before anyone says anything, my experiments have shown that left on for days on end both Windows and Mac show performance degradation, ususally from the classic memory hogs of Excel, Adobe CC and Chrome.) I think the answer to why so many systems are troubled by updates is that your average Mac or PC does not exist in isolation, and are really semi-dumb terminals for a bunch of cloud services from Adobe, Google, and Microsoft. The clients need to stay up-to-date with the service. The typical, 'Linux user running a simulation over multiple days' that are posting about not having to update below are existing in isolation form those other services.
- mrgordon 6y ago
  You’re saying they can’t send emails or save files because they are behind on updates? I’ve never once encountered these issues and they frankly sound like problems that people have when they aren’t used to using computers. I don’t use Adobe and Microsoft on Mac much. Chrome is obviously a huge memory hog due to tab sandboxing but realistically you just need to shut down the browser and/or most of your tabs once in a while. Updating the OS (or even restarting) sounds like overkill when the same result is likely obtained from restarting the browser with no tabs open or switching to Safari which is more RAM efficient

jimnotgym 6y ago

'I can't send emails' 'I have not received any emails today' 'I can't save a file I have been working on all day' These are so common from my Apple using user segment that they are running jokes in our IT team. I have a feeling abou tthe root cause (below)...but they are exacerbated by the user base beleiveing some myth that Mac's somehow do not need updating and rebooting. And before anyone asks, I have actually heard the words 'I don't need to reboot I'm on a Mac.' come out of a users mouth. I have been watching our remote management tools and Windows users seem to see shutting down at the end of the day as normal behaviour, whereas my Mac users tend to restart when they have to. (before anyone says anything, my experiments have shown that left on for days on end both Windows and Mac show performance degradation, ususally from the classic memory hogs of Excel, Adobe CC and Chrome.) I think the answer to why so many systems are troubled by updates is that your average Mac or PC does not exist in isolation, and are really semi-dumb terminals for a bunch of cloud services from Adobe, Google, and Microsoft. The clients need to stay up-to-date with the service. The typical, 'Linux user running a simulation over multiple days' that are posting about not having to update below are existing in isolation form those other services.

mrgordon 6y ago
You’re saying they can’t send emails or save files because they are behind on updates? I’ve never once encountered these issues and they frankly sound like problems that people have when they aren’t used to using computers. I don’t use Adobe and Microsoft on Mac much. Chrome is obviously a huge memory hog due to tab sandboxing but realistically you just need to shut down the browser and/or most of your tabs once in a while. Updating the OS (or even restarting) sounds like overkill when the same result is likely obtained from restarting the browser with no tabs open or switching to Safari which is more RAM efficient