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You do realise elitism is one of the major reasons why Trump was elected, right? You guys are driving people apart by declaring them morons instead of thinking,

You do realise elitism is one of the major reasons why Trump was elected, right? You guys are driving people apart by declaring them morons instead of thinking, critically about what drove them to a decision. Not cool.

jungturk 6y ago
It's important to use inclusive language to maintain the forum where we learn and share ideas with one another, but if your shelter's erected on a tentpole of anti-intellectualism (whether a reaction to others' elitism or not), you've already aborted the dialectic, left or right. Perhaps at that point it's more fruitful to name it and to confront it as a cancer on civil society than it is to recruit it or appease it. If you're caught in a propagandist's net it would seem to do you better to reach your hand out to the folks who notice in hopes they could fight with you for your liberty rather than to compound your shame by insisting you're there for your own good.
- iamstupidsimple 6y ago
  Nonsense. People are not as stupid or illogical as you claim. The decisions the Trump-voting electorate made were not anti-intellectualism just because the end result (Trump being elected) wasn't a great option. From many people's PoV, he was the _least worst_.
na85 6y ago
I already know whay drove people to that decision. You have a guy who inherited his money so he doesn't need sponsorship, and thus doesn't need to worry about the repugnant things he says costing him his campaign. That means there's a candidate who's saying loudly on global television that it's okay to be a racist, sexist boor with no critical thinking skills. In fact he thinks people should be proud of that. So of course the racists, the sexists, and those without the capacity for abstract thought voted for him in droves. We're long past the point where there is benefit in pretending that all ideas are created equal, and that my uneducated belief is somehow on the same level as your educated, evidence-backed opinion. To support Trump is to support the anathema of civilized society.
- iamstupidsimple 6y ago
  If you believe that all of Trump's voters were racist and sexist, then you do not understand the plight of middle America. I can see we're not going to have a productive conversation, here.
  - meddlepal 6y ago
    You're right I don't understand the plight of middle America, and I bet they don't understand a thing about the problems the coasts face. Maybe we should split up and go be separate countries. They can take the south with them while we're at it.

jungturk 6y ago

It's important to use inclusive language to maintain the forum where we learn and share ideas with one another, but if your shelter's erected on a tentpole of anti-intellectualism (whether a reaction to others' elitism or not), you've already aborted the dialectic, left or right. Perhaps at that point it's more fruitful to name it and to confront it as a cancer on civil society than it is to recruit it or appease it. If you're caught in a propagandist's net it would seem to do you better to reach your hand out to the folks who notice in hopes they could fight with you for your liberty rather than to compound your shame by insisting you're there for your own good.

iamstupidsimple 6y ago
Nonsense. People are not as stupid or illogical as you claim. The decisions the Trump-voting electorate made were not anti-intellectualism just because the end result (Trump being elected) wasn't a great option. From many people's PoV, he was the _least worst_.

na85 6y ago

I already know whay drove people to that decision. You have a guy who inherited his money so he doesn't need sponsorship, and thus doesn't need to worry about the repugnant things he says costing him his campaign. That means there's a candidate who's saying loudly on global television that it's okay to be a racist, sexist boor with no critical thinking skills. In fact he thinks people should be proud of that. So of course the racists, the sexists, and those without the capacity for abstract thought voted for him in droves. We're long past the point where there is benefit in pretending that all ideas are created equal, and that my uneducated belief is somehow on the same level as your educated, evidence-backed opinion. To support Trump is to support the anathema of civilized society.

iamstupidsimple 6y ago
If you believe that all of Trump's voters were racist and sexist, then you do not understand the plight of middle America. I can see we're not going to have a productive conversation, here.
- meddlepal 6y ago
  You're right I don't understand the plight of middle America, and I bet they don't understand a thing about the problems the coasts face. Maybe we should split up and go be separate countries. They can take the south with them while we're at it.