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Anybody who's well-read on corona estimates it's 50/50 lab or natural. The fact that 2 corona labs are located in Wuhan is awfully suspicious. But what is not
by redis_mlc 6y ago
Anybody who's well-read on corona estimates it's 50/50 lab or natural. The fact that 2 corona labs are located in Wuhan is awfully suspicious.
But what is not discussed in detail is the following.
Western articles focus on the market as being a "wet market", but that's possibly the wrong emphasis.
There's 2 reasons to focus on just the "market" word:
1) As a major market, it's a high traffic area. SARS-1 is said to have come from a high-traffic market in 2002.
2) Apparently Wuhan residents don't eat bats, so those were unlikely to be in the market. That means the transmission is much more indirect than thought, and the source is even more likely to be the labs.
The terrifying thing is that one scientific summary paper discusses Gain of Function (GOF) research at those labs, which have poor isolation, and that the CCP wiped those labs. GOF is modifying corona to either attack more animals, or be more virulent. And here we are.
- watwut 6y agoOn two: pretty much all more then two sentences long explanations of virus origin I have seen months ago involved another animal in between. So no, another animal in between does not show explanation is more indirect then thought. It just shows something that was talked about openly in like January or February.
- redis_mlc 6y ago> On two: pretty much all more then two sentences long explanations of virus origin I have seen months ago involved another animal in between. There was an implication the animal crossover occurred in the wet market, and it probably didn't because "no bats there." That was not clear in Western media. So work on your reading comprehension, amigo.
- watwut 6y agoIt was clear to me and I consume exclusively western production. Your surprising revelation was not surprising to people who were interested in topic.
- dang 6y agowatwut is not an amigo. I know that from reading her comments over the years. We wouldn't expect you to know that of course, but we do expect you not to be an asshole to your fellow community members. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23670678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23670678. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- cjhopman 6y agoAnyone who reads this, be aware, it's total nonsense. It's ridiculous fear mongering, "omg, if it's not from eating bats, it must be from a lab!!!".
- Thorrez 6y agoAre you saying redis_mlc's comment is total nonsense, or the article is total nonsense, or both? Because redis_mlc's comment seems to agree with the article.
- redis_mlc 6y agoI can source every word I said - most of those links are in my previous comments. If it would make a difference, I would. But after months of pandemic, HNers are still too intellectually lazy to do anything but do childish ad hominem attacks.
- redis_mlc 6y agoBoth labs are corona labs. China's leading corona researchers work there full-time. The US paid those labs to upgrade their security because they were afraid of what they saw when visiting. Those are all facts. Where is the fear-mongering? Just because you don't know anything doesn't mean I don't.
- stepstop 6y ago> Apparently Wuhan residents don't eat bats, so those How can you write this without suspicion? Did they interview all 11 million residents and all visitors and confirm? Why are bats sold if no one buys them?
- mahaganapati 6y agoAre bats even sold there though?
- ShamelessC 6y agomy understand was that bats were hibernating at the time and it was highly unlikely for someone to have gone to the cave and brought them all the way to Wuhan.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago> Anybody who's well-read on corona Every single halfways respected virologist I've heard comment on this has said the lab leak theory is complete bonkers. Millions of people come into contact with animals infected with coronaviruses every year. There are large populations of bats in the countryside that live in close proximity to humans and livestock, which act as permanent reservoirs for these viruses. In the countryside in China, there are places where 3% of the population (!) have been found to be seropositive for novel coronaviruses. So while you worry about a few highly trained lab technicians wearing full protective suits and following decontamination procedures, there are millions of normal people wearing no protection coming into contact with these viruses every year. > those labs, which have poor isolation The Wuhan Institute of Virology is widely viewed as a world-class laboratory - one of a few elite labs that implement the highest safety protocols. The lab was designed in partnership with France's top BSL-4 lab, and its staff is trained at the premiere US BSL-4 lab, in Galveston.
- mahaganapati 6y agoBut jumping species is rare, how would this have happened naturally all of a sudden?
- DiogenesKynikos 6y agoIt's not actually rare, as evidenced by the number of people in rural China who are seropositive for novel coronaviruses. This is the third new coronavirus that has caused a major outbreak in the last 18 years. Many more coronaviruses have likely jumped into humans, and have either petered out quickly or spread unnoticed (i.e., they cause nothing more than a cold).