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This is close to what happens in New Zealand. We built a fibre network (FTTH) funded by the state starting in 2011. The project was put up for tender on a area-

by ripdog 6y ago

This is close to what happens in New Zealand. We built a fibre network (FTTH) funded by the state starting in 2011. The project was put up for tender on a area-by-area basis, but with a small mountain of regulations attached. Basically, the companies which received the contracts were required to not act as ISPs, instead to wholesale access to their fibre network to any ISP interested. Maximum rates and minimum level of service are set by the Commerce Commission (the govt), though the fibre holders are free to reduce prices or improve services, which they are (we now can get gigabit internet nationwide for less than 100NZD - an excellent price considering there's no competition for the last mile itself). This is true for our old copper network too. It was built by Telecom, the old govt monopoly, in the 20th century. In 2009(?) the copper network was spun off into its own company, Chorus, and Chorus was bound by the same wholesale and non-ISP regulations. As a result of these enlightened regulations, NZ now has a super-competitive ISP market. ISPs are super cheap to set up - you basically just need to provide the core network and lease the last mile and backbone. I'd advise anyone campaigning for better ISP regulations in any other country to look at the NZ example. The free market may work better for extremely high density cities, but these regs are great for any markets where there is only demand for one last-mile network.

postingawayonhn 6y ago
> funded by the state Subsidised. Private funding covered much of the cost.
- lostlogin 6y ago
  Cost was split about 50:50 as far as the initial deal was concerned I think (2013 link below) but I am unsure how the later stages have been funded. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10867554 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&...
jiggawatts 6y ago
For reference, Australia tried the same thing with the National Broadband Network. We would have had the same end-result as NZ, except that Rupert Murdoch didn't like the newfangled Internet-based media competing with his Fox cable network, so he told Tony Abbott that he'd get him elected as Prime Minister if he killed it off. The deal was struct, Tony was suddenly the "wonderkid" that could do no wrong and Fox News made sure the whole world heard his name. He was promptly elected by retired country morons who've never heard of the Internet but watched Fox on the telly every evening. Tony licked Rupert's boots like a good little boy and did his best to kill the NBN: https://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/06/australia-doesnt-need-the-nbn-says-abbott/ https://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/06/australia-doesnt-need-th... Thankfully his power didn't last long, but his short stint nonetheless had lasting damage: https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/01/10/rupert-murdoch-nbn-kevin-rudd/ https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/01/10/rupert-m... We can now (as of just a few weeks ago!) get gigabit on the Australian NBN, except that instead of NZD 100 it costs AUD 150 monthly. You also have to be one of the lucky 19% to be on the FTTH network that was built before Tony stopped its construction: https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/property/2019/01/28/what-homebuyers-should-know-about-the-nbn/ https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/property/2019/01/28/what-... Fuck Rupert Murdoch. Seriously. He is one of the most evil, vile, hateful, greedy, self-centered cunts alive on this planet.
lostlogin 6y ago
To add to this - for $50-65US per month uncapped you can have 900Mbps down and 450mbps up. At the higher end of that price range is great support and no contract. As someone who previously had a 3mbps copper line, it’s fantastic.

by ripdog 6y ago

postingawayonhn 6y ago

> funded by the state Subsidised. Private funding covered much of the cost.

lostlogin 6y ago
Cost was split about 50:50 as far as the initial deal was concerned I think (2013 link below) but I am unsure how the later stages have been funded. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10867554 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&...

jiggawatts 6y ago

For reference, Australia tried the same thing with the National Broadband Network. We would have had the same end-result as NZ, except that Rupert Murdoch didn't like the newfangled Internet-based media competing with his Fox cable network, so he told Tony Abbott that he'd get him elected as Prime Minister if he killed it off. The deal was struct, Tony was suddenly the "wonderkid" that could do no wrong and Fox News made sure the whole world heard his name. He was promptly elected by retired country morons who've never heard of the Internet but watched Fox on the telly every evening. Tony licked Rupert's boots like a good little boy and did his best to kill the NBN: https://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/06/australia-doesnt-need-the-nbn-says-abbott/ https://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/06/australia-doesnt-need-th... Thankfully his power didn't last long, but his short stint nonetheless had lasting damage: https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/01/10/rupert-murdoch-nbn-kevin-rudd/ https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/01/10/rupert-m... We can now (as of just a few weeks ago!) get gigabit on the Australian NBN, except that instead of NZD 100 it costs AUD 150 monthly. You also have to be one of the lucky 19% to be on the FTTH network that was built before Tony stopped its construction: https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/property/2019/01/28/what-homebuyers-should-know-about-the-nbn/ https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/property/2019/01/28/what-... Fuck Rupert Murdoch. Seriously. He is one of the most evil, vile, hateful, greedy, self-centered cunts alive on this planet.

lostlogin 6y ago

To add to this - for $50-65US per month uncapped you can have 900Mbps down and 450mbps up. At the higher end of that price range is great support and no contract. As someone who previously had a 3mbps copper line, it’s fantastic.