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In Canada anyone who is out of job now unconditionally gets 500/week of Covid money. Pretty much same idea as UBI. The immediate effect that I observed was that

In Canada anyone who is out of job now unconditionally gets 500/week of Covid money. Pretty much same idea as UBI. The immediate effect that I observed was that all Filipino nannies quit. There is no incentive for them to work any more. I am not sure what they do with all the free time though. Maybe the life was different in rural Winnipeg in 70's (btw 11k was a shitload of money back then), but nowadays the UBI will immediately wipe out the low paying jobs. This may disrupt industries that rely on cheap labor. But what is much worse - it will create a class of people who are entitled to free money and have zero incentive to do anything with their lives, like get education, progress their careers, strive for better live. There is a need for a safety net in a society for those who slipped, but UBI is different. It is designed to make people regress, takes away any motivation.

ulucs 6y ago
It sucks that you are now unable to take advantage of poor immigrants because they are not in desperate need of money. It is nice that they have temporarily escaped their cycle of poverty. Instead of complaining about how they are wasting their lives by not working (and reciting the poem The Educated Man's Burden), you should instead pay them their actual worth.
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > you should instead pay them their actual worth. Your SJW act is not appreciated on a tech forum like this. Typically they're there on a work visa as a nanny, so the amount they're paid is their market value. Also, the Philippines government (OFW) is involved in overseas workers representation and visas, so nobody is being taken advantage of.
- shitgoose 6y ago
  Oh, I was not complaining:) I do not have a nanny neither want one. I clean my own shit. I was just observing. Nanny's salary is based on supply/demand. Until government interferes with Covid payments. When payments stop, nannies will go back to work. And, you are right, I believe that idling on Covid handouts is a waste of time. Any sort of idling is a waste of time.
akvadrako 6y ago
Unemployment money discourages work because you lose it if you earn. UBI doesn’t discourage work because they stack.
- shitgoose 6y ago
  If UBI is comparable with salary, many people will quit and live on handouts. If UBI is a fraction of salary, what is the point?

ulucs 6y ago

It sucks that you are now unable to take advantage of poor immigrants because they are not in desperate need of money. It is nice that they have temporarily escaped their cycle of poverty. Instead of complaining about how they are wasting their lives by not working (and reciting the poem The Educated Man's Burden), you should instead pay them their actual worth.

redis_mlc 6y ago
> you should instead pay them their actual worth. Your SJW act is not appreciated on a tech forum like this. Typically they're there on a work visa as a nanny, so the amount they're paid is their market value. Also, the Philippines government (OFW) is involved in overseas workers representation and visas, so nobody is being taken advantage of.
shitgoose 6y ago
Oh, I was not complaining:) I do not have a nanny neither want one. I clean my own shit. I was just observing. Nanny's salary is based on supply/demand. Until government interferes with Covid payments. When payments stop, nannies will go back to work. And, you are right, I believe that idling on Covid handouts is a waste of time. Any sort of idling is a waste of time.

akvadrako 6y ago

Unemployment money discourages work because you lose it if you earn. UBI doesn’t discourage work because they stack.

shitgoose 6y ago
If UBI is comparable with salary, many people will quit and live on handouts. If UBI is a fraction of salary, what is the point?