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The logic of your argument seems to be: "There was slavery, so there was systemic racism." Am I right? Then you extruded that argument into: "Because there was

by kebman 6y ago

The logic of your argument seems to be: "There was slavery, so there was systemic racism." Am I right? Then you extruded that argument into: "Because there was slavery, there is also systemic racism today." This is quite a leap, especially considering that slavery was ended on a particular date due to a civil war. Since then, several settlements has been made with racism (systemic or otherwise), some of the most important ones being during the 60's. These settlements have come both in the form of physical changes to the law, but also in the form of a change to the general zeitgeist and in the attitude of most people towards racism. What is happening today, however, is purely the widspread misunderstanding and politization of facts and statistics. On the whole, crime is going down, but if you look at this table from the FBI, the bias does in fact seem to be biased towards whites and not blacks.[1] What do you think about that? [1]: FBI murder statistics by race from 2018, https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls?fbclid=IwAR2ADX5hu45ubxa8DORYoVZgcznIlJ9di5MpsIKNPPB3zyqKgvuxxxLZ9tk https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-... 2018 was the latest year I could find such data on.

hellomyguys 6y ago
No I'm asking for you to tell me when systemic racism ended in this country because the crux of your argument is that it has ended and the effects of it historically don't linger today. Can you explain the fact the net worth of a typical white family is $171,000 and the typical net worth of a Black family is $17,150? Are Black people in this country inherently predisposed to making less money or are there systemic reasons for that? It's odd you continue to focus on crime statistics, something I haven't mentioned at all, as a way to push back on the narrative of systemic racism. For anyone who is Black or a person of color, we know first hand systemic racism is much more than that. [1]: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining-the-black-white-wealth-gap/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining...
- MuffinFlavored 6y ago
  > Can you explain the fact the net worth of a typical white family is $171,000 and the typical net worth of a Black family is $17,150? how many young poor black mothers have children too early (16) with gang members who end up dying from gang violence? isn’t that a modern day common black narrative? how is a poor white person any worse off than a poor black person? they have same access to all resources. it’s systemic poverty for poor people. it has nothing to do with blacks. some blacks bootstrap themselves out and make it, most don’t. how broken is the system for those that make it out? not very.
  - totony 6y ago
    >it’s systemic poverty for poor people. it has nothing to do with blacks. This is a good point imo. Are they poor because they're black or because their family was poor before them? I agree people put too much emphasis on more visible bias (ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation) and blame a lot of things which arguably may have originated from these bias, but are furthered by other factors (e.g. slow social mobility - all bias accounted for).
- jon_elbrook 6y ago
  >Can you explain the fact the net worth of a typical white family is $171,000 and the typical net worth of a Black family is $17,150? White people have higher IQ, can therefore take higher paying job, and thus have more money. They also spend their money more wisely. Same explanation explains why East asians and jews do well, not only in the US but in any society they find themselves. Despite the fact that in the US asians were discriminated against. Japanese were sent to a concentration camp. Jews were massacred during ww2. But somehow being oppressed didn't permanently caused them to be poor performers in modern societies.
  - dang 6y ago
    We've banned this account for propagating race war and other flamewar on HN. You can't do that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
MuffinFlavored 6y ago
you have to adjust those FBI stats for the fact that black people are 13% of the US population
- kebman 6y ago
  I agree that per capita numbers always tell a more accurate story. Anyway here's a great resource to make those adjustments: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?d=ACS%205-Year%20Estimates%20Data%20Profiles&table=DP05&tid=ACSDP5Y2018.DP05 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?d=ACS%205-Year%20Estima...

by kebman 6y ago

hellomyguys 6y ago

No I'm asking for you to tell me when systemic racism ended in this country because the crux of your argument is that it has ended and the effects of it historically don't linger today. Can you explain the fact the net worth of a typical white family is $171,000 and the typical net worth of a Black family is $17,150? Are Black people in this country inherently predisposed to making less money or are there systemic reasons for that? It's odd you continue to focus on crime statistics, something I haven't mentioned at all, as a way to push back on the narrative of systemic racism. For anyone who is Black or a person of color, we know first hand systemic racism is much more than that. [1]: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining-the-black-white-wealth-gap/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining...

MuffinFlavored 6y ago
> Can you explain the fact the net worth of a typical white family is $171,000 and the typical net worth of a Black family is $17,150? how many young poor black mothers have children too early (16) with gang members who end up dying from gang violence? isn’t that a modern day common black narrative? how is a poor white person any worse off than a poor black person? they have same access to all resources. it’s systemic poverty for poor people. it has nothing to do with blacks. some blacks bootstrap themselves out and make it, most don’t. how broken is the system for those that make it out? not very.
- totony 6y ago
  >it’s systemic poverty for poor people. it has nothing to do with blacks. This is a good point imo. Are they poor because they're black or because their family was poor before them? I agree people put too much emphasis on more visible bias (ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation) and blame a lot of things which arguably may have originated from these bias, but are furthered by other factors (e.g. slow social mobility - all bias accounted for).
jon_elbrook 6y ago
>Can you explain the fact the net worth of a typical white family is $171,000 and the typical net worth of a Black family is $17,150? White people have higher IQ, can therefore take higher paying job, and thus have more money. They also spend their money more wisely. Same explanation explains why East asians and jews do well, not only in the US but in any society they find themselves. Despite the fact that in the US asians were discriminated against. Japanese were sent to a concentration camp. Jews were massacred during ww2. But somehow being oppressed didn't permanently caused them to be poor performers in modern societies.
- dang 6y ago
  We've banned this account for propagating race war and other flamewar on HN. You can't do that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

MuffinFlavored 6y ago

you have to adjust those FBI stats for the fact that black people are 13% of the US population

kebman 6y ago
I agree that per capita numbers always tell a more accurate story. Anyway here's a great resource to make those adjustments: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?d=ACS%205-Year%20Estimates%20Data%20Profiles&table=DP05&tid=ACSDP5Y2018.DP05 https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?d=ACS%205-Year%20Estima...