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NYC is running this "experiment" now, with the NYPD having disbanded it's anti-crime units, and with many reported incidents not being responded to. New York C

NYC is running this "experiment" now, with the NYPD having disbanded it's anti-crime units, and with many reported incidents not being responded to. New York City’s homicide rate has hit a five-year high as the amount of people shot has jumped 42 percent compared to last year. Shooting incidents have gone up 86% since last year, and the murder Rate has gone up 47%. It's obviously a result of many different factors, but I'm not so sure the same thing that worked there would work here.

freen 6y ago
Any change from approximately zero is large. Nyc has had several months without a single murder. When quoting percentages, it is helpful to establish what the baseline is and how it compares historically. Previous “slowdowns” by the NYPD have resulted in a drastic reduction in reported crime in NYC. https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-nypd-slowdowns-dirty-little-secret https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-nypd-slowdowns-dirty-littl...
- jki275 6y ago
  Months without a single murder? Which months? Some historical data -- 2019 average just under one murder per day, 2020 is over one murder per day and up significantly from 2019 so far: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statist...
  - wrycoder 6y ago
    More like one every three days in 2019.
    - jki275 6y ago
      319 is not one every three days. It's technically .87 per day if you want to be precise.
      - pmiller2 6y ago
        Or, a little over 5 every 6 days.
        jki275 6y ago
        that's certainly another way to put it.
      - wrycoder 6y ago
        Thanks, I read it wrong!
  - freen 6y ago
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/nyregion/east-new-york-precinct-no-murders.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/nyregion/east-new-york-pr...
- roenxi 6y ago
  > Previous “slowdowns” by the NYPD have resulted in a drastic reduction in reported crime in NYC. I couldn't find where that was mentioned in your linked article, but the Occam's razor takeaway is that the crime is still happening and not being reported because people know nothing will be done.
  - eyeinthepyramid 6y ago
    Hard to not mention violent crime though
Scarblac 6y ago
Disbanding all traffic police also seems to be very different from disbanding all anti-crime units.
maest 6y ago
It sounds to me that: 1. The NYPD isn't trying to replace their police workforce. They've simply stopped policing. 2. The current social ajd political environment would cause a hike in crime-rate regardless of police action, and it's not easy to disentangle the effects.

freen 6y ago

Any change from approximately zero is large. Nyc has had several months without a single murder. When quoting percentages, it is helpful to establish what the baseline is and how it compares historically. Previous “slowdowns” by the NYPD have resulted in a drastic reduction in reported crime in NYC. https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-nypd-slowdowns-dirty-little-secret https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-nypd-slowdowns-dirty-littl...

jki275 6y ago
Months without a single murder? Which months? Some historical data -- 2019 average just under one murder per day, 2020 is over one murder per day and up significantly from 2019 so far: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statist...
- wrycoder 6y ago
  More like one every three days in 2019.
  - jki275 6y ago
    319 is not one every three days. It's technically .87 per day if you want to be precise.
    - pmiller2 6y ago
      Or, a little over 5 every 6 days.
      - jki275 6y ago
        that's certainly another way to put it.
    - wrycoder 6y ago
      Thanks, I read it wrong!
- freen 6y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/nyregion/east-new-york-precinct-no-murders.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/nyregion/east-new-york-pr...
roenxi 6y ago
> Previous “slowdowns” by the NYPD have resulted in a drastic reduction in reported crime in NYC. I couldn't find where that was mentioned in your linked article, but the Occam's razor takeaway is that the crime is still happening and not being reported because people know nothing will be done.
- eyeinthepyramid 6y ago
  Hard to not mention violent crime though

Scarblac 6y ago

Disbanding all traffic police also seems to be very different from disbanding all anti-crime units.

maest 6y ago

It sounds to me that: 1. The NYPD isn't trying to replace their police workforce. They've simply stopped policing. 2. The current social ajd political environment would cause a hike in crime-rate regardless of police action, and it's not easy to disentangle the effects.