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I've never had an issue with forced updates with Windows 10. Might be because I use the Enterprise edition? If you want to get it, I recommend the Microsoft Ac

I've never had an issue with forced updates with Windows 10. Might be because I use the Enterprise edition? If you want to get it, I recommend the Microsoft Action Pack - you get a lot stuff for the money, including multiple Windows 10 licenses, 5 O365 licenses, Visual Studio subscriptions, Azure credits... It's amazing value really, but seems to be relatively unknown.

Krasnol 6y ago
Nah, never had issues on Pro too (upgraded from win7)
JoelTheSuperior 6y ago
Indeed. I'm honestly surprised to read of such poor experiences here because I've honestly found that Windows 10 has given me a lot less grief than macOS has recently.
coded 6y ago
Oh thanks. Do you have to signup as a Microsoft partner in order to get the action pack?
- GordonS 6y ago
  I've had it for something like 5 years now, but I think the only qualifier was joining the Microsoft Partner Network (MPN), which is free, but I think you need to have a business, which I'd assume many on HN do (even a sole trader is OK, I think).
Silhouette 6y ago
I've never had an issue with forced updates with Windows 10. Might be because I use the Enterprise edition? For many practical purposes, the higher Windows 10 tiers such as Enterprise and Education are a different product to the lower ones such as Home and Pro. Microsoft isn't stupid and knows that professional sysadmins at large organisations would never surrender control of their corporate networks and the devices on them to an external party, so Microsoft doesn't try to push much-criticised aspects of Windows 10 such as mandatory telemetry and upgrades in that market. If you want to get it, I recommend the Microsoft Action Pack Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be any legal method to acquire Windows 10 Enterprise without signing up for all the other enterprise junk that no small business wants to deal with. The Pro edition of Windows used to cater to the small business and power user market, yet bizarrely in Windows 10 that edition seems to have been heavily downgraded and is now little better than Home in the negative aspects we're talking about here.
- GordonS 6y ago
  >> If you want to get it, I recommend the Microsoft Action Pack > Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be any legal method to acquire Windows 10 Enterprise without signing up for all the other enterprise junk that no small business wants to deal with Not sure if there is a misunderstanding here, but you're replying directly to my comment that explains how you can get the Enterprise edition without a volume licensing deal or any other "enterprise junk".
  - Silhouette 6y ago
    Searching for "Microsoft Action Pack" took me to this page: https://partner.microsoft.com/en-GB/membership/action-pack https://partner.microsoft.com/en-GB/membership/action-pack That is immediately full of buzzword bull about partners and subscriptions, which is exactly the sort of enterprise junk I was referring to before. Notably missing however is any straightforward way to buy a legitimate copy of Windows 10 Enterprise, or anything resembling instructions for doing so or pricing information. If you have indeed found a legitimate way to just buy a plain copy of Windows 10 Enterprise for use on a business PC without further strings attached, unfortunately I wasn't able to find it from the information in your previous comment.
    - GordonS 6y ago
      I found this page, which is fairly clear: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/partner-center/mpn-get-action-pack https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/partner-center/mpn-get-acti... Yes, they make it harder than it needs to be, but it's not particularly difficult either. And you're not just buying Windows 10 Enterprise, which is why there is no "Buy Windows 10 Enterprise now!" button - it's a subscription to a veritable trove of software and Azure credits. 1. Sign up to join the Microsoft Partner Network 2. Buy the Action Pack
      - Silhouette 6y ago
        Fair enough. But what we'd be looking for is essentially a "Buy Windows 10 Enterprise now!" button. We have no interest in commercial partnering arrangements with accompanying legal shenanigans. We don't want a subscription-based anything. We don't need to tie in a load of other software and services that we neither use nor care about. Since Windows 10 Pro isn't really a Pro edition in the historical sense, we're just looking for a suitable replacement in the Windows 10 generation. That would have to be Enterprise as things stand, because no edition below that would currently be acceptable in terms of having full control of our own systems. But Microsoft doesn't want to sell us anything close to a like-for-like replacement to the Pro editions we've used for many years with previous Windows versions, so we won't use Windows 10 as our main desktop OS.

Krasnol 6y ago

Nah, never had issues on Pro too (upgraded from win7)

JoelTheSuperior 6y ago

Indeed. I'm honestly surprised to read of such poor experiences here because I've honestly found that Windows 10 has given me a lot less grief than macOS has recently.

coded 6y ago

Oh thanks. Do you have to signup as a Microsoft partner in order to get the action pack?

GordonS 6y ago
I've had it for something like 5 years now, but I think the only qualifier was joining the Microsoft Partner Network (MPN), which is free, but I think you need to have a business, which I'd assume many on HN do (even a sole trader is OK, I think).

Silhouette 6y ago

I've never had an issue with forced updates with Windows 10. Might be because I use the Enterprise edition? For many practical purposes, the higher Windows 10 tiers such as Enterprise and Education are a different product to the lower ones such as Home and Pro. Microsoft isn't stupid and knows that professional sysadmins at large organisations would never surrender control of their corporate networks and the devices on them to an external party, so Microsoft doesn't try to push much-criticised aspects of Windows 10 such as mandatory telemetry and upgrades in that market. If you want to get it, I recommend the Microsoft Action Pack Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be any legal method to acquire Windows 10 Enterprise without signing up for all the other enterprise junk that no small business wants to deal with. The Pro edition of Windows used to cater to the small business and power user market, yet bizarrely in Windows 10 that edition seems to have been heavily downgraded and is now little better than Home in the negative aspects we're talking about here.

GordonS 6y ago
>> If you want to get it, I recommend the Microsoft Action Pack > Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be any legal method to acquire Windows 10 Enterprise without signing up for all the other enterprise junk that no small business wants to deal with Not sure if there is a misunderstanding here, but you're replying directly to my comment that explains how you can get the Enterprise edition without a volume licensing deal or any other "enterprise junk".
- Silhouette 6y ago
  Searching for "Microsoft Action Pack" took me to this page: https://partner.microsoft.com/en-GB/membership/action-pack https://partner.microsoft.com/en-GB/membership/action-pack That is immediately full of buzzword bull about partners and subscriptions, which is exactly the sort of enterprise junk I was referring to before. Notably missing however is any straightforward way to buy a legitimate copy of Windows 10 Enterprise, or anything resembling instructions for doing so or pricing information. If you have indeed found a legitimate way to just buy a plain copy of Windows 10 Enterprise for use on a business PC without further strings attached, unfortunately I wasn't able to find it from the information in your previous comment.
  - GordonS 6y ago
    I found this page, which is fairly clear: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/partner-center/mpn-get-action-pack https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/partner-center/mpn-get-acti... Yes, they make it harder than it needs to be, but it's not particularly difficult either. And you're not just buying Windows 10 Enterprise, which is why there is no "Buy Windows 10 Enterprise now!" button - it's a subscription to a veritable trove of software and Azure credits. 1. Sign up to join the Microsoft Partner Network 2. Buy the Action Pack
    - Silhouette 6y ago
      Fair enough. But what we'd be looking for is essentially a "Buy Windows 10 Enterprise now!" button. We have no interest in commercial partnering arrangements with accompanying legal shenanigans. We don't want a subscription-based anything. We don't need to tie in a load of other software and services that we neither use nor care about. Since Windows 10 Pro isn't really a Pro edition in the historical sense, we're just looking for a suitable replacement in the Windows 10 generation. That would have to be Enterprise as things stand, because no edition below that would currently be acceptable in terms of having full control of our own systems. But Microsoft doesn't want to sell us anything close to a like-for-like replacement to the Pro editions we've used for many years with previous Windows versions, so we won't use Windows 10 as our main desktop OS.