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Good. Facebook is just an echo chamber for hate speech and mis-information. Looking at you high school friends.

by StLCylone 6y ago

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nindalf 6y ago
You think your other sources of information are better? You're sure that Hacker News isn't an echo chamber?
- missedthecue 6y ago
  HN is an echo chamber on anything Facebook related. Everyone here is patting themselves on the back
- anon_1_1_1 6y ago
  Yes, Hacker News is a lot better than Facebook, I think. Here, the crowd seems to skew extremely libertarian and contrarian and really, really, really, really, really kneejerk hates JavaScript, but on Facebook I was regularly seeing hate speech and conspiracy theories. I do think one is worse than the other.
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
    As a libertarian with -10 karma, this comment is hilariously wrong (I had a lot more before I started speaking my mind) This site, like most, is a liberal echo chamber. Though I will say it's still a decent place to have a debate as long as you are fine with fighting 10v1 and going negative, which I am. The most frustrating thing is the post limit you run into when you get flagged/negative karma. It's really annoying to be in a debate and not be able to reply. I abuse the edit feature to get around it, but that's limited. Also the ability to only downvote with 500+ karma leads to group think. Only the high karma users with the popular opinions can downvote, and they certainly use it.
    - klyrs 6y ago
      You don't need popular opinions to maintain positive karma. Slow down on the politics and be relevant on tech-oriented topics. I've seen you do it. I believe in you.
      - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
        My point to GP was that libertarian views are not popular, I don't really care about karma. I love discussing all topics on HN that I'm passionate and informed about, including politics. When I do see political topics (which is often these days) and such a one sided view, I feel the need to voice the other side.
        klyrs 6y ago
        > When I do see political topics (which is often these days) and such a one sided view, I feel the need to voice the other side. Me too, but I thank the slowdown-bot because slowdowning is generally a good idea in life. Forced to take time, you'll probably write a better response anyway. Knowing that you're slowdowned, you're forced to be more strategic in what you choose to respond to. It's a gift.
        s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
        I don't disagree that everyone should think carefully about there responses to others, I certainly do. The slowdown for me is about 3 posts every 5 hours it seems. I'm not aware of the exact limits, do you know?
        klyrs 6y ago
        No, rather than test its limits, I find that chill is the better choice.
        s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
        Ah you used the term "slowdown-bot" so I figured you had specific knowledge. Posting 3 comments in half a day is not really testing the limits, there is plenty of chill time.
  - baryphonic 6y ago
    > Yes, Hacker News is a lot better than Facebook, I think. Here, the crowd seems to skew extremely libertarian and contrarian... HN's more balanced and tolerant than most tech communities (including the StackExchange network and especially Twitter), but it still skews quite left. If I ever show an indecent amount (by Silicon Valley standards) of libertarian-contrarian tendencies, I get thrashed and downvoted to Hell. That said, I have learned some of the libertarian-contrarian (or, really, non-Progressive) land mines to avoid in HN discussions, and tend to get up-votes. That said, this comment (third most upvoted comment under OP) is pretty typical of the soft authoritarianism prominent on HN. I have no particular love for Fox News or even Facebook (I kind of dislike them both and don't consume either), but what they do is kind of up to them and their viewers/users. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23657692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23657692 So, anyway, HN is left with a small-ish but dense pocket of libertarian-contrarians, the Valley is left of HN, Tech Twitter is left of the Valley.
- rtsil 6y ago
  It's not an echo chamber for "for hate speech and mis-information".
  - paulcole 6y ago
    Ehhhhh, I’d take a closer look at HN’s casual (and sometimes not so casual) misogyny.
- kwistzhaderach 6y ago
  People just like to spout this kind of tribal bullshit. Oh Facebook is an echo chamber - Twitterer Oh twitter is an echo chamber - Redditor Oh reddit is an echo chamber - HNer
- xref 6y ago
  HN is an echo chamber on certain topics, but not on hate/racism or easily gamed to push a mis-information agenda HN loves: - LSD microdosing - intermittent fasting - Tesla - Mastodon - contrarian views to whatever the top comment is HN despises: - Blockchain
  - anchpop 6y ago
    HN also has views on privacy that are not shared by most of the non-techie population. Most people like privacy, to be clear, but would not be willing to sacrifice as much for it as many here. I have always found it odd that an interest in privacy would coincide with an interest in tech.
    - divbzero 6y ago
      > I have always found it odd that an interest in privacy would coincide with an interest in tech. Perhaps knowledge of tech makes you aware of how easily it can be (ab)used to track you and invade your privacy.
  - Viliam1234 6y ago
    > HN despises: Blockchain That makes a lot of sense from the business perspective. People who bought Bitcoin early have no need for Y Combinator funding now. :P
  - detaro 6y ago
    Both Tesla and Mastodon have big back-and-forths about pros and cons every time they come up.
pmart123 6y ago
I’m hardly on Facebook, but I hardly notice this. I use Twitter significantly more frequently, but I also notice significantly more divide on politically charged topics, especially on Tweet comments.

Good. Facebook is just an echo chamber for hate speech and mis-information. Looking at you high school friends.

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nindalf 6y ago

You think your other sources of information are better? You're sure that Hacker News isn't an echo chamber?

missedthecue 6y ago
HN is an echo chamber on anything Facebook related. Everyone here is patting themselves on the back
anon_1_1_1 6y ago
Yes, Hacker News is a lot better than Facebook, I think. Here, the crowd seems to skew extremely libertarian and contrarian and really, really, really, really, really kneejerk hates JavaScript, but on Facebook I was regularly seeing hate speech and conspiracy theories. I do think one is worse than the other.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
  As a libertarian with -10 karma, this comment is hilariously wrong (I had a lot more before I started speaking my mind) This site, like most, is a liberal echo chamber. Though I will say it's still a decent place to have a debate as long as you are fine with fighting 10v1 and going negative, which I am. The most frustrating thing is the post limit you run into when you get flagged/negative karma. It's really annoying to be in a debate and not be able to reply. I abuse the edit feature to get around it, but that's limited. Also the ability to only downvote with 500+ karma leads to group think. Only the high karma users with the popular opinions can downvote, and they certainly use it.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    You don't need popular opinions to maintain positive karma. Slow down on the politics and be relevant on tech-oriented topics. I've seen you do it. I believe in you.
    - s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
      My point to GP was that libertarian views are not popular, I don't really care about karma. I love discussing all topics on HN that I'm passionate and informed about, including politics. When I do see political topics (which is often these days) and such a one sided view, I feel the need to voice the other side.
      - klyrs 6y ago
        > When I do see political topics (which is often these days) and such a one sided view, I feel the need to voice the other side. Me too, but I thank the slowdown-bot because slowdowning is generally a good idea in life. Forced to take time, you'll probably write a better response anyway. Knowing that you're slowdowned, you're forced to be more strategic in what you choose to respond to. It's a gift.
        s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
        I don't disagree that everyone should think carefully about there responses to others, I certainly do. The slowdown for me is about 3 posts every 5 hours it seems. I'm not aware of the exact limits, do you know?
        klyrs 6y ago
        No, rather than test its limits, I find that chill is the better choice.
        s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
        Ah you used the term "slowdown-bot" so I figured you had specific knowledge. Posting 3 comments in half a day is not really testing the limits, there is plenty of chill time.
- baryphonic 6y ago
  > Yes, Hacker News is a lot better than Facebook, I think. Here, the crowd seems to skew extremely libertarian and contrarian... HN's more balanced and tolerant than most tech communities (including the StackExchange network and especially Twitter), but it still skews quite left. If I ever show an indecent amount (by Silicon Valley standards) of libertarian-contrarian tendencies, I get thrashed and downvoted to Hell. That said, I have learned some of the libertarian-contrarian (or, really, non-Progressive) land mines to avoid in HN discussions, and tend to get up-votes. That said, this comment (third most upvoted comment under OP) is pretty typical of the soft authoritarianism prominent on HN. I have no particular love for Fox News or even Facebook (I kind of dislike them both and don't consume either), but what they do is kind of up to them and their viewers/users. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23657692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23657692 So, anyway, HN is left with a small-ish but dense pocket of libertarian-contrarians, the Valley is left of HN, Tech Twitter is left of the Valley.
rtsil 6y ago
It's not an echo chamber for "for hate speech and mis-information".
- paulcole 6y ago
  Ehhhhh, I’d take a closer look at HN’s casual (and sometimes not so casual) misogyny.
kwistzhaderach 6y ago
People just like to spout this kind of tribal bullshit. Oh Facebook is an echo chamber - Twitterer Oh twitter is an echo chamber - Redditor Oh reddit is an echo chamber - HNer
xref 6y ago
HN is an echo chamber on certain topics, but not on hate/racism or easily gamed to push a mis-information agenda HN loves: - LSD microdosing - intermittent fasting - Tesla - Mastodon - contrarian views to whatever the top comment is HN despises: - Blockchain
- anchpop 6y ago
  HN also has views on privacy that are not shared by most of the non-techie population. Most people like privacy, to be clear, but would not be willing to sacrifice as much for it as many here. I have always found it odd that an interest in privacy would coincide with an interest in tech.
  - divbzero 6y ago
    > I have always found it odd that an interest in privacy would coincide with an interest in tech. Perhaps knowledge of tech makes you aware of how easily it can be (ab)used to track you and invade your privacy.
- Viliam1234 6y ago
  > HN despises: Blockchain That makes a lot of sense from the business perspective. People who bought Bitcoin early have no need for Y Combinator funding now. :P
- detaro 6y ago
  Both Tesla and Mastodon have big back-and-forths about pros and cons every time they come up.

pmart123 6y ago

I’m hardly on Facebook, but I hardly notice this. I use Twitter significantly more frequently, but I also notice significantly more divide on politically charged topics, especially on Tweet comments.