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I am not happy with Facebook caving in to activist pressure from a small number of vocal nonprofits and businesses that carry their own political biases. This a
by throwawaysea 6y ago
I am not happy with Facebook caving in to activist pressure from a small number of vocal nonprofits and businesses that carry their own political biases. This again is evidence that big tech favors certain worldviews, ideologies, and political opinions over others. The notion of 'hate speech' is flawed. It is a vague term with ever-expanding definitions and will ultimately reduce the free exchange of ideas. Censorship, deplatforming, boycotts, and other such actions will ultimately just lead to the balkanization of our society.
As an example, consider the following paragraph from Zuck's post:
> Specifically, we're expanding our ads policy to prohibit claims that people from a specific race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, caste, sexual orientation, gender identity or immigration status are a threat to the physical safety, health or survival of others.
So what happens when people disagree on a current and controversial topic like gender identity? This is certainly not a settled area of debate. For instance, there are many who think early transitioning and surgeries can backfire, and that children are not fit to make these decisions at a young age. Would such discussion now be censored? More generally, will views that challenge progressive orthodoxy just be banned on the grounds of ever-expanding and variable definitions of hate speech?
Another example:
> We're also expanding our policies to better protect immigrants, migrants, refugees and asylum seekers from ads suggesting these groups are inferior or expressing contempt, dismissal or disgust directed at them.
What happens when you want to discuss the downsides of immigration and how it affects your society? For instance, in Finland a disproportionate amount of sexual violence is perpetrated by immigrants (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_Finland#Perpetrators https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_Finland#Per...). This is a very common discussion topic in Finnish society and media (https://www.foreigner.fi/articulo/moving-to-finland/crime-is-the-topic-most-associated-with-immigration-by-finnish-media/20191110185452003427.html https://www.foreigner.fi/articulo/moving-to-finland/crime-is...). Would such discussion or advertisement in favor of changes to immigration policies now be disallowed?
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Even if Facebook only loosely enforces these new guidelines, having them at all can have a chilling effect. It seems we can't trust Facebook to be a neutral owner of such a ubiquitous and powerful platform. So much of society's communication happens on Facebook (and Twitter and Google) that they are really just the new digital public square and should not take sides. We need alternative platforms that value free speech, a foundational part of our society, rather than imposing the views of platform owners, their employees, or a small number of vocal activists on the rest of the world.
- atonse 6y agoThis is all about ads. So you want people to be able to post ads that say that people of certain races are inferior? I don't understand. This is not a free speech issue. This is a paid speech issue. (I say this not as someone who wants to censor all kinds of stuff, I totally understand your idea that all kinds of ideas should be able to be discussed, but I do make that distinction)
- ApolloFortyNine 6y ago>So you want to be able to post ads that say that people of certain races are inferior? I don't understand. OP clearly laid out their own examples, please don't go out of your way to make one up so you have a strawman to attack.
- atonse 6y agoThat's not what my question is, perhaps I can reword it to sound less inflammatory. My question is about the distinction between ads and discussions. OP asks "what happens if you want to discuss" – that phrase itself says "not ads", so an irrelevant question, correct? I understand this is all about their ad policy. I hate to even sound like a facebook apologist, I deeply, deeply despise that company and Mark Zuckerberg, and I know the only reason they'd change anything is for money, and have absolutely no scruples whatsoever. But at the end of the day, they're completely free to censor whatever they want. They're not the public sphere.
- throwawaysea 6y agoFor me, there isn't a distinction between ads versus other content. "Free speech" refers to "freedom of speech" not free as in "not paid for". > So you want people to be able to post ads that say that people of certain races are inferior? I don't understand. I think you're considering a rather extreme example. To continue the Finland immigration example - would an ad for a politician who backs restrictive immigration to reduce crime now be disallowed?
- Barrin92 6y agovery telling that this is the response to a post that only tangentially touches on hate speech and mostly focusses on voter supression, but you don't need to worry on the behalf of the Fins, because in Finland hate speech is already penalized by law. ", it is prohibited in Finland and defined in the section 11 of the penal code, War crimes and crimes against humanity, as published information or as an opinion or other statement that threatens or insults a group because of race, nationality, ethnicity, religion or conviction, sexual orientation, disability, or a comparable basis. Ethnic agitation is punishable with a fine or up to 2 years in prison, or 4 months to 4 years if aggravated (such as incitement to genocide)" So from my perspective as a European user Facebook by changing its behaviour will finally be in accordance with what is already the law across most of the continent.