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Mac won't literally forcibly reboot your machine though if you aren't sitting there to click "no." You can also use `softwareupdate --ignore` on Mac to shut off

Mac won't literally forcibly reboot your machine though if you aren't sitting there to click "no." You can also use `softwareupdate --ignore` on Mac to shut off the notification. I'm not aware of anything equivalent on Windows.

serf 6y ago
>You can also use `softwareupdate --ignore` on Mac to shut off the notification. I'm not aware of anything equivalent on Windows. the ability to cancel or ignore updates on a windows machine is relegated to a downloaded tool on the Microsoft site[0]. [0]: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026726/windows-10-hide-updates-or-driver-updates https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026726/windows-10-...
- bromonkey 6y ago
  The Microsoft ignore updates is only temporary though isn't it?
- Mindwipe 6y ago
  softwareupdate --ignore is now deprecated, and will via security patches even be patched out of older versions of MacOS, in what is an enormous "fuck you" to users.
LordFast 6y ago
Looks like it's removed as of 10.15.5
geoelectric 6y ago
Yeah, ignore is removed going forward. The forced reboots from Windows are absolutely obnoxious, though, no argument.
jimnotgym 6y ago
They have this other way to force updates, by removing support for the OS you are running every few years.
lalos 6y ago
You can't have both no updates and avoid random exploits that are randomly discovered with time. Maybe experienced users know what's going on, but an average user would mindlessly click ignore until the machine is owned by ransomware.
- Multicomp 6y ago
  > an average user would mindlessly click ignore until the machine is owned by ransomware. It's the user's machine to ruin. Tech companies need to stop saving users from themselves when said users have actual informed opinions.
  - naikrovek 6y ago
    > It's the user's machine to ruin. But it's Microsoft's ass that gets dragged through the mud for decades when unpatched Windows machines cause problems for others. They learned their lesson. Users can't be trusted. At least now you ARE prompted to reboot if you have used the machine at all in the past 3 days or something. And if you haven't, it will still wait a week. No one in this thread seems to be up to date on that. Everyone is complaining about the Windows 10 of 3-5 years ago, completely unaware that things have changed a lot. So yeah I see why Microsoft does what it does, sometimes. The internet won't cut them any slack no matter what happens, so Microsoft do what's best for the user, whether they like it or not. And, again, they don't just surprise reboot anymore if you're on a recent release.
    - _jal 6y ago
      > But it's Microsoft's ass This is exactly why I don't run Microsoft software, even after their rabid tendencies mellowed a bit - providing software the user wants is not their priority. But neither commercial consumer platform is producing an OS that respects their users - it is one-size-fits-all, you must be an idiot-ware. I don't serve my operating system, it's the other way around. So I'm done with both of them.
    - Reelin 6y ago
      > when unpatched Windows machines cause problems for others Charitably that's only half of the story. Their security model was ... not great in the past. If as you claim their security PR problems were all due to poor decisions by users then where are all the people slamming Apple for all the vulnerable systems caused by postponement of updates? What about Ubuntu, Fedora, etc?

serf 6y ago

>You can also use `softwareupdate --ignore` on Mac to shut off the notification. I'm not aware of anything equivalent on Windows. the ability to cancel or ignore updates on a windows machine is relegated to a downloaded tool on the Microsoft site[0]. [0]: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026726/windows-10-hide-updates-or-driver-updates https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4026726/windows-10-...

bromonkey 6y ago
The Microsoft ignore updates is only temporary though isn't it?
Mindwipe 6y ago
softwareupdate --ignore is now deprecated, and will via security patches even be patched out of older versions of MacOS, in what is an enormous "fuck you" to users.

LordFast 6y ago

Looks like it's removed as of 10.15.5

geoelectric 6y ago

Yeah, ignore is removed going forward. The forced reboots from Windows are absolutely obnoxious, though, no argument.

jimnotgym 6y ago

They have this other way to force updates, by removing support for the OS you are running every few years.

lalos 6y ago

You can't have both no updates and avoid random exploits that are randomly discovered with time. Maybe experienced users know what's going on, but an average user would mindlessly click ignore until the machine is owned by ransomware.

Multicomp 6y ago
> an average user would mindlessly click ignore until the machine is owned by ransomware. It's the user's machine to ruin. Tech companies need to stop saving users from themselves when said users have actual informed opinions.
- naikrovek 6y ago
  > It's the user's machine to ruin. But it's Microsoft's ass that gets dragged through the mud for decades when unpatched Windows machines cause problems for others. They learned their lesson. Users can't be trusted. At least now you ARE prompted to reboot if you have used the machine at all in the past 3 days or something. And if you haven't, it will still wait a week. No one in this thread seems to be up to date on that. Everyone is complaining about the Windows 10 of 3-5 years ago, completely unaware that things have changed a lot. So yeah I see why Microsoft does what it does, sometimes. The internet won't cut them any slack no matter what happens, so Microsoft do what's best for the user, whether they like it or not. And, again, they don't just surprise reboot anymore if you're on a recent release.
  - _jal 6y ago
    > But it's Microsoft's ass This is exactly why I don't run Microsoft software, even after their rabid tendencies mellowed a bit - providing software the user wants is not their priority. But neither commercial consumer platform is producing an OS that respects their users - it is one-size-fits-all, you must be an idiot-ware. I don't serve my operating system, it's the other way around. So I'm done with both of them.
  - Reelin 6y ago
    > when unpatched Windows machines cause problems for others Charitably that's only half of the story. Their security model was ... not great in the past. If as you claim their security PR problems were all due to poor decisions by users then where are all the people slamming Apple for all the vulnerable systems caused by postponement of updates? What about Ubuntu, Fedora, etc?