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With what seems to be nothing but criticism of policing policies, I would love to know what the ideal or even acceptable policing policies are, presuming that a

With what seems to be nothing but criticism of policing policies, I would love to know what the ideal or even acceptable policing policies are, presuming that any policing will be accepted. The most simple minded can be critics, but what is the alternative? What happens when the lawless mob and criminals want to break and enter your home and take your things and burn down your life? It's easy enough when it's the "others" stuff and homes and lives. But this is clearly a breakdown of equality under the law … equal laws that are equally enforced with equal penalties. Is that objectionable to anyone? I thought we are striving for equality. You cant achieve equality when some get away with breaking the law and others don't; and some get light sentences and others have even the clear case against them dropped. That's not equality.

socalnate1 6y ago
"What happens when the lawless mob and criminals want to break and enter your home and take your things and burn down your life?" Uhm what? Is this a common problem in your life? If this question is asked seriously, here is a serious answer: https://theweek.com/articles/918143/what-america-learn-from-nordic-police https://theweek.com/articles/918143/what-america-learn-from-...
- dsabanin 6y ago
  Well, not yet…
- Baeocystin 6y ago
  Not the person you were replying to, but I can speak as someone who lived in a country that was essentially lawless as a kid. When there isn't a unifying civil authority, mobs do in fact take whatever they feel like if you have the least bit of something worth taking. It leads to ubiquitous misery.
hckr_news 6y ago
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jberryman 6y ago
One answer is that: police don't do what you think they do, police are not effective at what you imagine their job to be, and police are not trusted to be effective (so much crime goes unreported): https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/01/most-violent-and-property-crimes-in-the-u-s-go-unsolved/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/01/most-violen... Consider also that as you observe, even with the existence of policing as we know it, all manner of violent and property crime still exists.
proverbialbunny 6y ago
>The most simple minded can be critics, but what is the alternative? - Teaching police how to identify bias and showing them the alternative way to do things. This is basic statistics, but it can be boiled down. Actually, teach it in classrooms. Everyone should know it. A lot of "racism" in the US isn't intentionally harmful, it's bias. - Police handle outliers. We have specialists for different kinds of situations. If we created more kinds of specialists to handle more kinds of situations, we wouldn't need to rely on the police who are not trained as specialists but as generalists who don't understand how to best help the situation.
standardUser 6y ago
"I would love to know what the ideal or even acceptable policing policies are" Some ideas... A corp of well-trained, unarmed individuals to respond the vast majority of non-violent police calls. Legalize drugs and sex work to dramatically curtail the amount of "crimes" and associated "police work". Zero tolerance penalties for abuses of power by armed police. Instead of LEOs receiving less severe penalties when they break the law, mandate more severe penalties. Plus a whole raft of other, popular ideas like banning choke holds, requiring highly regulated body cams, ending no-knock warrants in most cases, reforming or ending bail for low-level crimes, reform qualified immunity for armed government employees, the list goes on.

socalnate1 6y ago

"What happens when the lawless mob and criminals want to break and enter your home and take your things and burn down your life?" Uhm what? Is this a common problem in your life? If this question is asked seriously, here is a serious answer: https://theweek.com/articles/918143/what-america-learn-from-nordic-police https://theweek.com/articles/918143/what-america-learn-from-...

dsabanin 6y ago
Well, not yet…
Baeocystin 6y ago
Not the person you were replying to, but I can speak as someone who lived in a country that was essentially lawless as a kid. When there isn't a unifying civil authority, mobs do in fact take whatever they feel like if you have the least bit of something worth taking. It leads to ubiquitous misery.

hckr_news 6y ago

Username checks out

jberryman 6y ago

One answer is that: police don't do what you think they do, police are not effective at what you imagine their job to be, and police are not trusted to be effective (so much crime goes unreported): https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/01/most-violent-and-property-crimes-in-the-u-s-go-unsolved/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/01/most-violen... Consider also that as you observe, even with the existence of policing as we know it, all manner of violent and property crime still exists.

proverbialbunny 6y ago

>The most simple minded can be critics, but what is the alternative? - Teaching police how to identify bias and showing them the alternative way to do things. This is basic statistics, but it can be boiled down. Actually, teach it in classrooms. Everyone should know it. A lot of "racism" in the US isn't intentionally harmful, it's bias. - Police handle outliers. We have specialists for different kinds of situations. If we created more kinds of specialists to handle more kinds of situations, we wouldn't need to rely on the police who are not trained as specialists but as generalists who don't understand how to best help the situation.

standardUser 6y ago

"I would love to know what the ideal or even acceptable policing policies are" Some ideas... A corp of well-trained, unarmed individuals to respond the vast majority of non-violent police calls. Legalize drugs and sex work to dramatically curtail the amount of "crimes" and associated "police work". Zero tolerance penalties for abuses of power by armed police. Instead of LEOs receiving less severe penalties when they break the law, mandate more severe penalties. Plus a whole raft of other, popular ideas like banning choke holds, requiring highly regulated body cams, ending no-knock warrants in most cases, reforming or ending bail for low-level crimes, reform qualified immunity for armed government employees, the list goes on.