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If it's something that's common and "there are many things that can cause it", what exactly do I need to be worried about? Serious question, give me some contex

If it's something that's common and "there are many things that can cause it", what exactly do I need to be worried about? Serious question, give me some context writer. For all I know GGO's are extremely common, come and go, and could be caused by something as routine as sitting around a campfire. "We’ve seen patients with mild GGOs that heal completely, whereas others develop scar tissue almost like a skin injury, which is permanent" Awesome. Zero help. But thanks for planting that seed of fear. Calling fire when there is no fire is as bad as not calling fire if there is a fire.

ourmandave 6y ago
Awesome. Zero help. But thanks for planting that seed of fear. Well, to be fair, the Killer Asteroid and Murder Hornet aren't living up to the hype, so you gotta go back to the basics.
enraged_camel 6y ago
>>Awesome. Zero help. But thanks for planting that seed of fear. It is a pandemic. We absolutely need to be fearful, because it will encourage us to take extra precautionary or avoidance measures we otherwise would not have taken. This is why "they are just trying to scare people!" is not a valid criticism in this context. The entire reason the pandemic is re-surging is because people are not scared.
- dvt 6y ago
  > This is why "they are just trying to scare people!" is not a valid criticism in this context. It absolutely is. Fear is not conducive to prudent decision-making. Fear is what brought us the inane toilet paper shortage a few months ago. No news outlet is being level-headed with its reporting -- whether on the left or on the right. This, combined with zero accountability for needless flame-fanning by pieces like the one linked, creates an environment where it's hard to discern what's true and what's not.
  - isthispermanent 6y ago
    I agree, both sides are negligent. The only place you can go for real news is first and foremost the raw data. And second, Twitter.
  - Kye 6y ago
    A rapid shift from a toilet paper supply chain optimized for workplaces and retail to a sudden spike in demand on the home-focused supply chain caused the shortage. People actually needed that toilet paper because what they normally used was locked up at their workplace and they didn't have enough supply at home.
    - dvt 6y ago
      This is categorically untrue. It's well documented that people were hoarding[1] due to (and I quote) the "influence of perceived threat." [1] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0234232 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
      - Kye 6y ago
        Two things can be true: 1: People were hoarding because of the media hype 2: The supply chain was strained from a sudden and completely reasonable shift given the circumstances Does your link address 2 or compare the impact?
  - nostrademons 6y ago
    > Fear is what brought us the inane toilet paper shortage a few months ago. FWIW, evidence is that the toilet paper shortage wasn't caused by hoarding. Rather, it was a combination of two supply-chain quirks: 1.) Toilet paper is bulky and low-margin, which means that supermarkets largely stock it just-in-time and keep low inventories of it in storerooms. This exacerbates any problems in the supply chain because existing inventories run out quickly and there's no buffer. 2.) The supply chains for consumer toilet paper (used in homes) and commercial toilet paper (used in businesses & public places) are almost completely different. They use different raw materials (commercial has higher recycled paper content), different manufacturing processes (commercial is usually single-ply), and of course different warehouses, transportation infrastructure, and procurement processes. When everybody stays home for 8+ hours that were previously spent at work and in public places, that causes a dramatic shift in demand from commercial to consumer toilet paper. The commercial stuff can't really be sold in supermarkets; even if you could fix the procurement and distribution processes, it's packaged in ways that won't fit on (or sell from) a retail rack. Taken together, that resulted in large shortages of consumer toilet paper and large oversupplies of commercial toilet paper, all of which get exacerbated by the small inventories kept by supermarkets. There may have been some hoarding too, but there's no good evidence for it, and a lot of reasons (eg. purchase maximums, inability to carry more than 1 48-pack) to believe it wasn't a major factor.
- isthispermanent 6y ago
  In the pursuit of making sure people are fearful you would encourage using the term "ground glass" when discussing the lungs of an asymptomatic case? Because if you had ground glass in your lungs you would absolutely feel it, and it would feel like ground glass. You would cough and spit blood. Are they asymptomatic or do they have ground glass in their lungs? It can't be both. It's not ok to fear monger like that.
  - MSM 6y ago
    >Are they asymptomatic or do they have ground glass in their lungs? It can't be both. I think you're under the assumption that this term was just created to fear monger about COVID, but this is not a new term. From 2013 for example: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4367726/#:~:text=Ground%2Dglass%20opacity%20(GGO)%20is%20a%20radiological%20finding%20in,GGO%20and%20a%20solid%20component https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4367726/#:~:tex....
    - isthispermanent 6y ago
      Ah ok, thanks for pointing that out. I was under that assumption.
naveen99 6y ago
you don’t really want to have extensive ground glass opacities from any cause. Happy lungs don’t have them. Here are some causes: https://radiopaedia.org/articles/ground-glass-opacification-3?lang=us https://radiopaedia.org/articles/ground-glass-opacification-...

ourmandave 6y ago

Awesome. Zero help. But thanks for planting that seed of fear. Well, to be fair, the Killer Asteroid and Murder Hornet aren't living up to the hype, so you gotta go back to the basics.

enraged_camel 6y ago

>>Awesome. Zero help. But thanks for planting that seed of fear. It is a pandemic. We absolutely need to be fearful, because it will encourage us to take extra precautionary or avoidance measures we otherwise would not have taken. This is why "they are just trying to scare people!" is not a valid criticism in this context. The entire reason the pandemic is re-surging is because people are not scared.

dvt 6y ago
> This is why "they are just trying to scare people!" is not a valid criticism in this context. It absolutely is. Fear is not conducive to prudent decision-making. Fear is what brought us the inane toilet paper shortage a few months ago. No news outlet is being level-headed with its reporting -- whether on the left or on the right. This, combined with zero accountability for needless flame-fanning by pieces like the one linked, creates an environment where it's hard to discern what's true and what's not.
- isthispermanent 6y ago
  I agree, both sides are negligent. The only place you can go for real news is first and foremost the raw data. And second, Twitter.
- Kye 6y ago
  A rapid shift from a toilet paper supply chain optimized for workplaces and retail to a sudden spike in demand on the home-focused supply chain caused the shortage. People actually needed that toilet paper because what they normally used was locked up at their workplace and they didn't have enough supply at home.
  - dvt 6y ago
    This is categorically untrue. It's well documented that people were hoarding[1] due to (and I quote) the "influence of perceived threat." [1] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0234232 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
    - Kye 6y ago
      Two things can be true: 1: People were hoarding because of the media hype 2: The supply chain was strained from a sudden and completely reasonable shift given the circumstances Does your link address 2 or compare the impact?
- nostrademons 6y ago
  > Fear is what brought us the inane toilet paper shortage a few months ago. FWIW, evidence is that the toilet paper shortage wasn't caused by hoarding. Rather, it was a combination of two supply-chain quirks: 1.) Toilet paper is bulky and low-margin, which means that supermarkets largely stock it just-in-time and keep low inventories of it in storerooms. This exacerbates any problems in the supply chain because existing inventories run out quickly and there's no buffer. 2.) The supply chains for consumer toilet paper (used in homes) and commercial toilet paper (used in businesses & public places) are almost completely different. They use different raw materials (commercial has higher recycled paper content), different manufacturing processes (commercial is usually single-ply), and of course different warehouses, transportation infrastructure, and procurement processes. When everybody stays home for 8+ hours that were previously spent at work and in public places, that causes a dramatic shift in demand from commercial to consumer toilet paper. The commercial stuff can't really be sold in supermarkets; even if you could fix the procurement and distribution processes, it's packaged in ways that won't fit on (or sell from) a retail rack. Taken together, that resulted in large shortages of consumer toilet paper and large oversupplies of commercial toilet paper, all of which get exacerbated by the small inventories kept by supermarkets. There may have been some hoarding too, but there's no good evidence for it, and a lot of reasons (eg. purchase maximums, inability to carry more than 1 48-pack) to believe it wasn't a major factor.
isthispermanent 6y ago
In the pursuit of making sure people are fearful you would encourage using the term "ground glass" when discussing the lungs of an asymptomatic case? Because if you had ground glass in your lungs you would absolutely feel it, and it would feel like ground glass. You would cough and spit blood. Are they asymptomatic or do they have ground glass in their lungs? It can't be both. It's not ok to fear monger like that.
- MSM 6y ago
  >Are they asymptomatic or do they have ground glass in their lungs? It can't be both. I think you're under the assumption that this term was just created to fear monger about COVID, but this is not a new term. From 2013 for example: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4367726/#:~:text=Ground%2Dglass%20opacity%20(GGO)%20is%20a%20radiological%20finding%20in,GGO%20and%20a%20solid%20component https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4367726/#:~:tex....
  - isthispermanent 6y ago
    Ah ok, thanks for pointing that out. I was under that assumption.

naveen99 6y ago

you don’t really want to have extensive ground glass opacities from any cause. Happy lungs don’t have them. Here are some causes: https://radiopaedia.org/articles/ground-glass-opacification-3?lang=us https://radiopaedia.org/articles/ground-glass-opacification-...