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For consumer notebook repairability the golden standard should be something similar to HP Elitebook 2560p from 2012. No screwdriver required!(with option to ha

by sireat 6y ago

For consumer notebook repairability the golden standard should be something similar to HP Elitebook 2560p from 2012. No screwdriver required!(with option to have a security screw) While removing battery you can press a latch to remove the back cover. Then you have easy access to everything that a consumer could possible want replacing(HDD/SDD,DVD->HDD, RAM, WIFI). I recently upgraded a cousins 2560p to 16GB and SSD and it was a breeze, took a few minutes at most. Sadly HP stopped offering this kind of notebook case around Haswell in 2014.

6510 6y ago
They could no doubt (at a price) make the inside as spectaculrly looking as the outside.
shuntress 6y ago
I think there are definitely some reasonable limits manufacturers shouldn't be expected to reach in terms of easy, intuitive, tool-less end-user serviceability. For example, I think it is unreasonable to expect that a smartphone's battery be replaceable with 0 tools and 0 consumables (gaskets, glues, etc). However, those tools and consumables _should_ be expected to to be reasonably standard and reasonably available.
- sireat 6y ago
  Why shouldn't smartphone battery be replacable with 0 tools? Why should there be glue involved? It was a standard that mobile phone batteries were easily replacable. In fact https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?idBatRemovable=1 https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?idBatRemovable=1 returns ~6400 results while not removable returns ~2400 results. In fact that's how most smartphones were until some market leaders decided to move to glue on hard to replace models.
  - shuntress 6y ago
    Late reply, sorry. Personally, I prefer the current common design of trading tool-less battery service for size and weather resistance. I want a smaller more durable phone and I am willing to trade away tool less battery hot-swapping to get it. With that said, let me re-iterate that I think battery replacements in particular should be REASONABLY accessible. I should be able to perform a battery replacement myself with easily available tools/consumables provided by either(/both) the original manufacturer or third parties.

by sireat 6y ago

6510 6y ago

They could no doubt (at a price) make the inside as spectaculrly looking as the outside.

shuntress 6y ago

I think there are definitely some reasonable limits manufacturers shouldn't be expected to reach in terms of easy, intuitive, tool-less end-user serviceability. For example, I think it is unreasonable to expect that a smartphone's battery be replaceable with 0 tools and 0 consumables (gaskets, glues, etc). However, those tools and consumables _should_ be expected to to be reasonably standard and reasonably available.

sireat 6y ago
Why shouldn't smartphone battery be replacable with 0 tools? Why should there be glue involved? It was a standard that mobile phone batteries were easily replacable. In fact https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?idBatRemovable=1 https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?idBatRemovable=1 returns ~6400 results while not removable returns ~2400 results. In fact that's how most smartphones were until some market leaders decided to move to glue on hard to replace models.
- shuntress 6y ago
  Late reply, sorry. Personally, I prefer the current common design of trading tool-less battery service for size and weather resistance. I want a smaller more durable phone and I am willing to trade away tool less battery hot-swapping to get it. With that said, let me re-iterate that I think battery replacements in particular should be REASONABLY accessible. I should be able to perform a battery replacement myself with easily available tools/consumables provided by either(/both) the original manufacturer or third parties.