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Strangely, the word "union" doesn't appear in the article. Considering that it is the police unions that create the system within which police officers are prot

Strangely, the word "union" doesn't appear in the article. Considering that it is the police unions that create the system within which police officers are protected, I believe their power and tactics need to be examined.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> police unions that create the system within which police officers are protected Police unions exacerbate the problem. But they aren't the root cause. Their leadership is supported by the rank and file. And police unions act much more antagonistically in comparison with other public unions.
Spooky23 6y ago
That’s because it’s focused on root cause. Unions are boogeymen for these issues. They advocate for members by design so that is easy to do. The problems affecting police in states that prohibit collective bargaining for public employees or where private police are the same.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  >They advocate for members by design so that is easy to do And in their blind advocacy for members they are advocating for things that are at odds with what is good for the people their members are supposed to serve therefore they are a problem that needs to be solved and cannot be left out of this.
  - Spooky23 6y ago
    So what? Change the law. Civil service employees don't make policy, nor do their unions. A union can demand 25% raises and get 2.
Zigurd 6y ago
Police unions are a good indicator of how deep the problem runs. Police union bosses are elected. Google "police union boss" if you want to see a spittle flecked shouting goon defending the worst police behavior. This is the guy who won the most votes. This is how we know it is not "a few bad apples." Nevertheless, the union is a symptom of a very deep problem that will not be solved by half measures. If you build a true public safety service to replace the police, you can expect their union to look normal, not like a big city police union.
onefuncman 6y ago
If you get rid of bad cops you don't have to do anything to fix the unions.
- stronglikedan 6y ago
  But you have to fix the unions to get rid of bad cops, since the unions prevent bad cops from being gotten rid of.
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JumpCrisscross 6y ago

> police unions that create the system within which police officers are protected Police unions exacerbate the problem. But they aren't the root cause. Their leadership is supported by the rank and file. And police unions act much more antagonistically in comparison with other public unions.

Spooky23 6y ago

That’s because it’s focused on root cause. Unions are boogeymen for these issues. They advocate for members by design so that is easy to do. The problems affecting police in states that prohibit collective bargaining for public employees or where private police are the same.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
>They advocate for members by design so that is easy to do And in their blind advocacy for members they are advocating for things that are at odds with what is good for the people their members are supposed to serve therefore they are a problem that needs to be solved and cannot be left out of this.
- Spooky23 6y ago
  So what? Change the law. Civil service employees don't make policy, nor do their unions. A union can demand 25% raises and get 2.

Zigurd 6y ago

Police unions are a good indicator of how deep the problem runs. Police union bosses are elected. Google "police union boss" if you want to see a spittle flecked shouting goon defending the worst police behavior. This is the guy who won the most votes. This is how we know it is not "a few bad apples." Nevertheless, the union is a symptom of a very deep problem that will not be solved by half measures. If you build a true public safety service to replace the police, you can expect their union to look normal, not like a big city police union.

onefuncman 6y ago

If you get rid of bad cops you don't have to do anything to fix the unions.

stronglikedan 6y ago
But you have to fix the unions to get rid of bad cops, since the unions prevent bad cops from being gotten rid of.
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