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> Zoox has been by far the most ambitious self-driving tech company as it's been working on developing a fully integrated vehicle, not just the core autonomous

by goshx 6y ago

> Zoox has been by far the most ambitious self-driving tech company as it's been working on developing a fully integrated vehicle, not just the core autonomous technology. > Zoox planned from the beginning to develop the technology, build a car and operate a robotaxi service. Not even Waymo is trying to bite off that much (although Cruise is). Is Tesla intentionally omitted or am I missing something?

sukilot 6y ago
"not even" in the sense that the leaders in self drive aren't doing it.
- goshx 6y ago
  Tesla is doing exactly that.
csours 6y ago
Disclaimer up front: I work for GM, this is solely my opinion and it is my opinion alone. I think the tech press doesn't believe that Tesla is building a self-driving product. I don't know if camera based computer vision by itself will ever be enough for full self driving. I think we can demonstrate that it is not enough at this time, and we can also demonstrate that human vision also fails at times; human vision has the benefit of some extremely specialized "software"
- sidibe 6y ago
  They don't seem to actually working toward L4 any time soon. It's just a steady drip of little features like "stops at stoplight" that are progress to fans, since none of the other self-driving companies are releasing anything, but what Waymo/Cruise/Zoox are stuck on (and have been working on for many many years) are much more nuanced problems that Tesla still have to face some day.
  - goshx 6y ago
    Having more data on the nuanced problems than any of the competitors is Tesla's most significant advantage, IMHO.
- deleted 6y ago
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- goshx 6y ago
  To me, it seems someone from Zoox wrote the article. There are many tech and non-tech press which didn't believe in anything posted on the "master plans" published by Tesla, and they are still in denial. Meanwhile, Tesla has been making huge leaps of progress and collecting billions of miles worth of data to improve their systems. What is available right now, and has been so for a couple of years, is unmatched by any of their competitors. I am interested to see how Zoox and others will compete against massive amounts of data on corner case scenarios and real-world driving.
  - randcraw 6y ago
    Tesla has millions of miles of experience with a level 2+ self driving system. Waymo has comparable experience with a level 4 system. Thus it makes no sense to claim that Tesla is closer to shipping a level 5 self-driving car than Google.
    - goshx 6y ago
      Billions of miles of actual data from real world scenarios. I am talking about the data they collect from the cameras and sensors, not how their system works or what level it is. The data from real world is far more important than simulations.
- DavidFerris 6y ago
  "I don't know if camera based computer vision by itself will ever be enough for full self driving." Rebuttal: If you had a 3D camera sitting in the driver's seat of a car and hooked up the control to a remote controller, I believe that car could be drive-able. A sufficiently advanced perception/control system could theoretically use the same 3D camera feed and replace the driver. Not saying it's easy, just that all the necessary info to drive a car safely can be contained in camera feeds.
  - csours 6y ago
    I think it's a mistake to think that binocular or 3D vision is 'enough'. The visual cortex does a LOT of processing.
  - randcraw 6y ago
    A camera-based self-driving autopilot is also capable of driving without hesitation straight into an overturned truck on a sunny day less than a month ago: https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/01/video-tesla-model-3-crashes-into-overturned-truck/?guccounter=1 https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/01/video-tesla-model-3-cras...

by goshx 6y ago

sukilot 6y ago

"not even" in the sense that the leaders in self drive aren't doing it.

goshx 6y ago
Tesla is doing exactly that.

csours 6y ago

Disclaimer up front: I work for GM, this is solely my opinion and it is my opinion alone. I think the tech press doesn't believe that Tesla is building a self-driving product. I don't know if camera based computer vision by itself will ever be enough for full self driving. I think we can demonstrate that it is not enough at this time, and we can also demonstrate that human vision also fails at times; human vision has the benefit of some extremely specialized "software"

sidibe 6y ago
They don't seem to actually working toward L4 any time soon. It's just a steady drip of little features like "stops at stoplight" that are progress to fans, since none of the other self-driving companies are releasing anything, but what Waymo/Cruise/Zoox are stuck on (and have been working on for many many years) are much more nuanced problems that Tesla still have to face some day.
- goshx 6y ago
  Having more data on the nuanced problems than any of the competitors is Tesla's most significant advantage, IMHO.
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goshx 6y ago
To me, it seems someone from Zoox wrote the article. There are many tech and non-tech press which didn't believe in anything posted on the "master plans" published by Tesla, and they are still in denial. Meanwhile, Tesla has been making huge leaps of progress and collecting billions of miles worth of data to improve their systems. What is available right now, and has been so for a couple of years, is unmatched by any of their competitors. I am interested to see how Zoox and others will compete against massive amounts of data on corner case scenarios and real-world driving.
- randcraw 6y ago
  Tesla has millions of miles of experience with a level 2+ self driving system. Waymo has comparable experience with a level 4 system. Thus it makes no sense to claim that Tesla is closer to shipping a level 5 self-driving car than Google.
  - goshx 6y ago
    Billions of miles of actual data from real world scenarios. I am talking about the data they collect from the cameras and sensors, not how their system works or what level it is. The data from real world is far more important than simulations.
DavidFerris 6y ago
"I don't know if camera based computer vision by itself will ever be enough for full self driving." Rebuttal: If you had a 3D camera sitting in the driver's seat of a car and hooked up the control to a remote controller, I believe that car could be drive-able. A sufficiently advanced perception/control system could theoretically use the same 3D camera feed and replace the driver. Not saying it's easy, just that all the necessary info to drive a car safely can be contained in camera feeds.
- csours 6y ago
  I think it's a mistake to think that binocular or 3D vision is 'enough'. The visual cortex does a LOT of processing.
- randcraw 6y ago
  A camera-based self-driving autopilot is also capable of driving without hesitation straight into an overturned truck on a sunny day less than a month ago: https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/01/video-tesla-model-3-crashes-into-overturned-truck/?guccounter=1 https://www.autoblog.com/2020/06/01/video-tesla-model-3-cras...