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Careful there. Beside this undoubtedly noble deed she has indulged in some less than impeccable political expression. Meanwhile it looks like a holistic approac

Careful there. Beside this undoubtedly noble deed she has indulged in some less than impeccable political expression. Meanwhile it looks like a holistic approach to moral evaluation of statues is gaining traction so it might end up a waste of copper.

new2628 6y ago
"holistic approach to moral evaluation" I'm not holding my breath for that one.
hardlianotion 6y ago
Holistic is not the term that springs to my mind.
Funes- 6y ago
>less than impeccable political expression According to whom? Care to point us to some of those comments?
- entropyneur 6y ago
  According to me :). But there are quite a few people in Russia who would agree. It's in Russian, but here we go: https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=36204 https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=36204 It might be difficult to understand what's so bad without being embedded into the Russian political context. So here's some more direct stuff from SciHub social media: https://vk.com/wall-36928352_38852 https://vk.com/wall-36928352_38852 - Stalin quotes https://vk.com/wall-36928352_37498 https://vk.com/wall-36928352_37498 - comparing Stalin to Christ
  - st1ck 6y ago
    Not sure why are you downvoted. Without knowing too much about Russian scientific community, in the first article she doesn't seem to say anything too bad. But on vk.com she seems to unironically go full Stalin (the guy who sent thousands of scientists and intellectuals to Gulags).
    - entropyneur 6y ago
      TBH, without context I'd be 100% certain that those posts are ironic or just trolling. Thing is, in that interview and elsewhere she expresses views typical of other Stalinists, so it's unfortunately not that.
reedwolf 6y ago
The only political expression of hers I'm aware of is that she says she's a communist, and I don't think that will prevent her getting a statue.
- entropyneur 6y ago
  You are not fully informed about this matter then. She vocally supported persecution of Russia's only private science-funding organization. She also seems to be a stalinist, at least she posts Stalin quotes on SciHub's social media and went on record saying "there are multiple ways to see Stalin's persona".
  - throwaway4666 6y ago
    You'd be surprised at how popular Stalin seems to be in Russia and Central Asia countries. Forgot the link but I read that 45% of Russians have a positive opinion of him. Yes he did all those atrocities but more importantly he brought national pride. After all, he did win WW2 and turned the country into a world superpower that rivaled with the US for decades. As time passes the memories of the atrocities fade and the national pride grows. Just like the French praise Napoleon who led hundreds of thousands of young men to their deaths in ruinous wars, the British praise Churchill who orchestrated a famine that killed millions of Bengali people, Americans praise the slave-owning founding fathers, etc.
    - ReticentVole 6y ago
      Mao Zedong, Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, Mohammed, Nelson Mandela, all responsible for varying amounts of human death and suffering - yet revered or worshiped today.
      - john4532452 6y ago
        "Nelson Mandela" in the same line as "Genghis Khan". I am puzzled. That doesn't seem right. Citation Needed.
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john4532452 6y ago
Citation Needed

new2628 6y ago

"holistic approach to moral evaluation" I'm not holding my breath for that one.

hardlianotion 6y ago

Holistic is not the term that springs to my mind.

Funes- 6y ago

>less than impeccable political expression According to whom? Care to point us to some of those comments?

entropyneur 6y ago
According to me :). But there are quite a few people in Russia who would agree. It's in Russian, but here we go: https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=36204 https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=36204 It might be difficult to understand what's so bad without being embedded into the Russian political context. So here's some more direct stuff from SciHub social media: https://vk.com/wall-36928352_38852 https://vk.com/wall-36928352_38852 - Stalin quotes https://vk.com/wall-36928352_37498 https://vk.com/wall-36928352_37498 - comparing Stalin to Christ
- st1ck 6y ago
  Not sure why are you downvoted. Without knowing too much about Russian scientific community, in the first article she doesn't seem to say anything too bad. But on vk.com she seems to unironically go full Stalin (the guy who sent thousands of scientists and intellectuals to Gulags).
  - entropyneur 6y ago
    TBH, without context I'd be 100% certain that those posts are ironic or just trolling. Thing is, in that interview and elsewhere she expresses views typical of other Stalinists, so it's unfortunately not that.

reedwolf 6y ago

The only political expression of hers I'm aware of is that she says she's a communist, and I don't think that will prevent her getting a statue.

entropyneur 6y ago
You are not fully informed about this matter then. She vocally supported persecution of Russia's only private science-funding organization. She also seems to be a stalinist, at least she posts Stalin quotes on SciHub's social media and went on record saying "there are multiple ways to see Stalin's persona".
- throwaway4666 6y ago
  You'd be surprised at how popular Stalin seems to be in Russia and Central Asia countries. Forgot the link but I read that 45% of Russians have a positive opinion of him. Yes he did all those atrocities but more importantly he brought national pride. After all, he did win WW2 and turned the country into a world superpower that rivaled with the US for decades. As time passes the memories of the atrocities fade and the national pride grows. Just like the French praise Napoleon who led hundreds of thousands of young men to their deaths in ruinous wars, the British praise Churchill who orchestrated a famine that killed millions of Bengali people, Americans praise the slave-owning founding fathers, etc.
  - ReticentVole 6y ago
    Mao Zedong, Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, Mohammed, Nelson Mandela, all responsible for varying amounts of human death and suffering - yet revered or worshiped today.
    - john4532452 6y ago
      "Nelson Mandela" in the same line as "Genghis Khan". I am puzzled. That doesn't seem right. Citation Needed.

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john4532452 6y ago

Citation Needed