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I'm unsure if you're being sarcastic. If not, I'll reiterate my point: College students don't have lawful authority to commit violence. Lampooning the college

I'm unsure if you're being sarcastic. If not, I'll reiterate my point: College students don't have lawful authority to commit violence. Lampooning the college system as something even nearing the system of abuse in the policing system is deeply troubling.

saagarjha 6y ago
It's being sarcastic, because recording people all the time and auditing what they say privately is dystopian regardless of the position.
- GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
  Not sure if I understand doubling down on a one-off sarcastic remark... Is this an American thing?
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    I don't think so. Being sarcastic and amping it up until it's detected seems to be fairly common across cultures in my experience. (But then again, I am American.)
- soledades 6y ago
  "Auditing what they say privately" is begging the question. The parent's point is that the training of police officers should be public. No one is proposing that we record the police trainers when they go out for dinner with their family.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    I guess it means what we interpret "off the cuff side commentary" to be. I'm certainly not claiming we're going to attach a camera to people 24/7, but I think even in the classroom we should not be recording every interaction they have.
    - soledades 6y ago
      I just think it's a little bizarre to feel dystopia creep from checks on police rather than from police checks on civil liberties. edit: or rather, to feel dystopia creep more from the idea of monitoring how police are taught to use surveillance technologies, than from the actual police use of surveillance technologies itself.
      - saagarjha 6y ago
        > rather than I think both are dystopian.
        soledades 6y ago
        + Recording a session where public servants vested with the authority of the state are taught how to conduct their job. + Police driving down the road with facial recognition devices scanning the faces of all the private individuals walking down the street and allowing them to pull up records on any of them. One of these things is not like the other (and the second is a current reality!)
        saagarjha 6y ago
        I'm not saying I consider them to be equal, and I will note that the specific thing I have a problem with is recording them with the intent of catching their private conversations and then reviewing it for comments you think might indicate poor behavior in the future. I know the second one is a reality and I am fairly vocal about being against that, but it's awfully hard to get rid of :(
        soledades 6y ago
        Hmm, fair enough. My sense was that "off the cuff side commentary" meant perhaps things said by an instructor during the intermissions, and that the intent was more to prevent them from saying anything they wouldn't be comfortable saying to the general public, but I realize that's due to my not following the thread of the conversation closely enough :)
- loceng 6y ago
  You are the one who injected the straw man argument saying we should record professors and students, and now you go even further to claim we're somehow arguing to record all people all the time to audit them? Why are you going outside the bounds or scope of our arguments?
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    > You are the one who injected the straw man argument saying we should record professors and students I did not. > now you go even further to claim we're somehow arguing to record all people all the time to audit them I mean, if you look at the what was posted: > Have all classes and training sessions recorded so there's record for review of how accurately curriculum is being followed, what off the cuff side commentary might be made, etc - to weed out bad instructors, bad role models. This does in fact seem like you're recording them all the time while they're in the classroom, is it not?

saagarjha 6y ago

It's being sarcastic, because recording people all the time and auditing what they say privately is dystopian regardless of the position.

GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
Not sure if I understand doubling down on a one-off sarcastic remark... Is this an American thing?
- saagarjha 6y ago
  I don't think so. Being sarcastic and amping it up until it's detected seems to be fairly common across cultures in my experience. (But then again, I am American.)
soledades 6y ago
"Auditing what they say privately" is begging the question. The parent's point is that the training of police officers should be public. No one is proposing that we record the police trainers when they go out for dinner with their family.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  I guess it means what we interpret "off the cuff side commentary" to be. I'm certainly not claiming we're going to attach a camera to people 24/7, but I think even in the classroom we should not be recording every interaction they have.
  - soledades 6y ago
    I just think it's a little bizarre to feel dystopia creep from checks on police rather than from police checks on civil liberties. edit: or rather, to feel dystopia creep more from the idea of monitoring how police are taught to use surveillance technologies, than from the actual police use of surveillance technologies itself.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      > rather than I think both are dystopian.
      - soledades 6y ago
        + Recording a session where public servants vested with the authority of the state are taught how to conduct their job. + Police driving down the road with facial recognition devices scanning the faces of all the private individuals walking down the street and allowing them to pull up records on any of them. One of these things is not like the other (and the second is a current reality!)
        saagarjha 6y ago
        I'm not saying I consider them to be equal, and I will note that the specific thing I have a problem with is recording them with the intent of catching their private conversations and then reviewing it for comments you think might indicate poor behavior in the future. I know the second one is a reality and I am fairly vocal about being against that, but it's awfully hard to get rid of :(
        soledades 6y ago
        Hmm, fair enough. My sense was that "off the cuff side commentary" meant perhaps things said by an instructor during the intermissions, and that the intent was more to prevent them from saying anything they wouldn't be comfortable saying to the general public, but I realize that's due to my not following the thread of the conversation closely enough :)
loceng 6y ago
You are the one who injected the straw man argument saying we should record professors and students, and now you go even further to claim we're somehow arguing to record all people all the time to audit them? Why are you going outside the bounds or scope of our arguments?
- saagarjha 6y ago
  > You are the one who injected the straw man argument saying we should record professors and students I did not. > now you go even further to claim we're somehow arguing to record all people all the time to audit them I mean, if you look at the what was posted: > Have all classes and training sessions recorded so there's record for review of how accurately curriculum is being followed, what off the cuff side commentary might be made, etc - to weed out bad instructors, bad role models. This does in fact seem like you're recording them all the time while they're in the classroom, is it not?