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Man, I hate this phone analogy. Every shot I take with M43 looks nothing like anything taken with a phone. I just took these shots a couple days ago, for an exa

by pkulak 6y ago

Man, I hate this phone analogy. Every shot I take with M43 looks nothing like anything taken with a phone. I just took these shots a couple days ago, for an example. There's no way you get anything close to this with a phone. https://photos.app.goo.gl/TSFhhA5igk1iEfRbA https://photos.app.goo.gl/TSFhhA5igk1iEfRbA

barbegal 6y ago
Which is true, but very few professionals would use a Micro four-thirds camera to take these type of photo over a DSLR.
holografix 6y ago
No offence but I’m guessing you haven’t taken many photos with an iPhone 11 Pro.
- pkulak 6y ago
  Even 50mm isn't close enough for me. And fake bokeh looks terrible even when it works. Absolutely amazing for what it is, but it's not replacing my camera.
onion2k 6y ago
Every shot I take with M43 looks nothing like anything taken with a phone. How much of that is an actual difference in the camera tech and how much of it is subjective perception? I suspect for things like the two photos you linked to, even the best professional photographers would struggle to tell the type of camera was used to take them. By the time they've gone through a few apps and services and they're being viewed in Google Photos they could have come from a phone, or an M43 camera, or even a high-end medium format dSLR. I do wildlife photography when I'm not building web stuff (https://www.instagram.com/onion4k/ https://www.instagram.com/onion4k/) - that's pretty much impossible with a phone camera simply because you need to a really long focal length for any animals that won't come close to you, but I still see people out in the countryside giving it a try. I often wonder if they're happy with the pictures they take. I suspect they are. For most people photography is about recording the moment more than producing a print quality picture.
- lm28469 6y ago
  > How much of that is an actual difference in the camera tech and how much of it is subjective perception? The out of focus area is a dead giveaway for anyone who's even remotely into photography. Phones are very good at taking snapshots but they're extremely limited by the sensor size and the fact that the lens has a fixed aperture, no amount of computational photography will solve these physical constraints. You can't escape physics and optics laws
neop1x 6y ago
Yes, big lens means a lot. And today they have a nasty trend of using software enhancements and machine learning. I took an aerial photo from a small airplane using Sony smartphone built-in camera app. It postprocesed trees so badly that I never used this builtin app again. I am using OpenCamera and it is "ok enough for a smartphone". And funny thing is they are very proud of this postprocessing, saying you lose their secret keys after you unlock bootloader and this magic will stop working. Soon more and more of the photo will be fake, just computed/guessed by the software. Quite sad IMO.

by pkulak 6y ago

barbegal 6y ago

Which is true, but very few professionals would use a Micro four-thirds camera to take these type of photo over a DSLR.

holografix 6y ago

No offence but I’m guessing you haven’t taken many photos with an iPhone 11 Pro.

pkulak 6y ago
Even 50mm isn't close enough for me. And fake bokeh looks terrible even when it works. Absolutely amazing for what it is, but it's not replacing my camera.

onion2k 6y ago

Every shot I take with M43 looks nothing like anything taken with a phone. How much of that is an actual difference in the camera tech and how much of it is subjective perception? I suspect for things like the two photos you linked to, even the best professional photographers would struggle to tell the type of camera was used to take them. By the time they've gone through a few apps and services and they're being viewed in Google Photos they could have come from a phone, or an M43 camera, or even a high-end medium format dSLR. I do wildlife photography when I'm not building web stuff (https://www.instagram.com/onion4k/ https://www.instagram.com/onion4k/) - that's pretty much impossible with a phone camera simply because you need to a really long focal length for any animals that won't come close to you, but I still see people out in the countryside giving it a try. I often wonder if they're happy with the pictures they take. I suspect they are. For most people photography is about recording the moment more than producing a print quality picture.

lm28469 6y ago
> How much of that is an actual difference in the camera tech and how much of it is subjective perception? The out of focus area is a dead giveaway for anyone who's even remotely into photography. Phones are very good at taking snapshots but they're extremely limited by the sensor size and the fact that the lens has a fixed aperture, no amount of computational photography will solve these physical constraints. You can't escape physics and optics laws

neop1x 6y ago

Yes, big lens means a lot. And today they have a nasty trend of using software enhancements and machine learning. I took an aerial photo from a small airplane using Sony smartphone built-in camera app. It postprocesed trees so badly that I never used this builtin app again. I am using OpenCamera and it is "ok enough for a smartphone". And funny thing is they are very proud of this postprocessing, saying you lose their secret keys after you unlock bootloader and this magic will stop working. Soon more and more of the photo will be fake, just computed/guessed by the software. Quite sad IMO.