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IMO • iPhone's capacitive touch screen vs Nokia's resistive touch with stylus requirement was too much of a friction (pun not intended). 1 year after iPhone's

IMO • iPhone's capacitive touch screen vs Nokia's resistive touch with stylus requirement was too much of a friction (pun not intended). 1 year after iPhone's release, Nokia released 5800 marketed as iPhone killer; guess what? it had f'in stylus with resistive screen. • Then when android happened, which was poor man's iPhone; Nokia hugged Windows Phone OS. Which never became a thing as it lacked Google apps (Google killed it, MSFT would have done the same to Google if places were interchanged). Other comments have detailed possible leadership sabotage related to the MSFT deal, which I agree with.

app4soft 6y ago
> 1 year after iPhone's release, Nokia released 5800 marketed as iPhone killer; guess what? I guess beside its resistive screen, Nokia 5800 has much more power than iPhone 3G: - J2ME apps; - Python for S60 apps (+ Pys60 IDE); - Qt4 apps; - Voice input; - Built-in voice recorder; - Video recording; - Frontal camera for video calls; - 3.2 Megapixel camera with zoom & flash; - 35 hours of work in music player mode; - Changeable battery; - And much, much more. Here is good comparison list (in Russian).[0] [0] http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_122880924.html http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_122880924.html
- Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
  That's true of several mobile hardware/SW of that time, I mentioned capacitive screen to show typical consumer preference. Btw, you can also add native 3G video calling via front camera to that list, my Nokia N70 did that years earlier in India. Not many westerners seem to know about this feature in my earlier discussions.
foobarian 6y ago
Reading around on the Internet a bit I came upon this [1] which indicates Nokia's leadership was less engineering-driven than I thought. [1] https://knowledge.insead.edu/strategy/who-killed-nokia-nokia-did-4268 https://knowledge.insead.edu/strategy/who-killed-nokia-nokia...
- app4soft 6y ago
  > Nokia's leadership was Stephen Elop, Nokia President & CEO since September 2010.[0,1,2,3,4,5] Since 2011 Symbian & Nokia starts its degradation under Elop 's "leadership". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop#CEO_of_Nokia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop#CEO_of_Nokia [1] https://www.europeanceo.com/profile/stephen-elop https://www.europeanceo.com/profile/stephen-elop [2] https://www.smartcompany.com.au/business-advice/strategy/how-stephen-elop-killed-nokia-two-key-lessons-for-your-business/ https://www.smartcompany.com.au/business-advice/strategy/how... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/08/nokia-stephen-elop-operation-new-book https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/08/nokia-ste... [4] https://www.theverge.com/2015/6/17/8796465/grand-theft-elop https://www.theverge.com/2015/6/17/8796465/grand-theft-elop [5] https://www.theregister.com/2018/02/15/elop_and_the_fall_of_nokia_revisited/ https://www.theregister.com/2018/02/15/elop_and_the_fall_of_...
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Which is to be expected when one gets a contract from the shareholders with a bonus clause if the CEO manages to devalue the company and sell it.

app4soft 6y ago

> 1 year after iPhone's release, Nokia released 5800 marketed as iPhone killer; guess what? I guess beside its resistive screen, Nokia 5800 has much more power than iPhone 3G: - J2ME apps; - Python for S60 apps (+ Pys60 IDE); - Qt4 apps; - Voice input; - Built-in voice recorder; - Video recording; - Frontal camera for video calls; - 3.2 Megapixel camera with zoom & flash; - 35 hours of work in music player mode; - Changeable battery; - And much, much more. Here is good comparison list (in Russian).[0] [0] http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_122880924.html http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_122880924.html

Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
That's true of several mobile hardware/SW of that time, I mentioned capacitive screen to show typical consumer preference. Btw, you can also add native 3G video calling via front camera to that list, my Nokia N70 did that years earlier in India. Not many westerners seem to know about this feature in my earlier discussions.

foobarian 6y ago

Reading around on the Internet a bit I came upon this [1] which indicates Nokia's leadership was less engineering-driven than I thought. [1] https://knowledge.insead.edu/strategy/who-killed-nokia-nokia-did-4268 https://knowledge.insead.edu/strategy/who-killed-nokia-nokia...

app4soft 6y ago
> Nokia's leadership was Stephen Elop, Nokia President & CEO since September 2010.[0,1,2,3,4,5] Since 2011 Symbian & Nokia starts its degradation under Elop 's "leadership". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop#CEO_of_Nokia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop#CEO_of_Nokia [1] https://www.europeanceo.com/profile/stephen-elop https://www.europeanceo.com/profile/stephen-elop [2] https://www.smartcompany.com.au/business-advice/strategy/how-stephen-elop-killed-nokia-two-key-lessons-for-your-business/ https://www.smartcompany.com.au/business-advice/strategy/how... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/08/nokia-stephen-elop-operation-new-book https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/08/nokia-ste... [4] https://www.theverge.com/2015/6/17/8796465/grand-theft-elop https://www.theverge.com/2015/6/17/8796465/grand-theft-elop [5] https://www.theregister.com/2018/02/15/elop_and_the_fall_of_nokia_revisited/ https://www.theregister.com/2018/02/15/elop_and_the_fall_of_...
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Which is to be expected when one gets a contract from the shareholders with a bonus clause if the CEO manages to devalue the company and sell it.