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Didn't want to add politics to this, but i hope they get more funding for safety. Sadly, most of the funding they get from US and other Western countries is gob

Didn't want to add politics to this, but i hope they get more funding for safety. Sadly, most of the funding they get from US and other Western countries is gobbled up by the Army which is the most powerful institution in the country. Their economic situation is a little worse now and it is likely they will become a vassal state of China in the future as well. China will take the role of USA in the country if it goes the other way.

nickik 6y ago
So you want to give them more money even if you know that money is systematically misused? Pakistan will become a vessel state of China, its totally inevitable. Pakistan is 1000x more valuable to China then it could ever by for the US. The US should stop the idiotic believe that Pakistan is an ally. They simply are not, and have not been for a long time. It is well known that the support the Taliban. It is well known they are one of the main pushers of radical Islam. The only real value they ever had was to help against the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. And to do that the US ignored the warnings that they were developing nuclear weapons and basically created anti-western radical Islam.
- newyankee 6y ago
  The problem is that the general public is very fond of conspiracy theory for every problem under the sun. Every issue will be attributed to malicious intent of India, USA or Israel (somehow that comes into the mix). If the general public does not evolve, how would the army or govt.
- catalogia 6y ago
  > The US should stop the idiotic believe that Pakistan is an ally. Do they actually believe it, or do they just pay lip service to that idea for realpolitik reasons? The US has repeatedly accused China of assisting Pakistan with their nuclear weapons program. It's hard for any of us to say what the truth is in that matter, but either way I don't think the potential relationship between Pakistan and China has been ignored.
  - nickik 6y ago
    I don't know about the nuclear weapons program. But I defiantly believe they are a bad ally. I don't know what exactly they have done to get such a high status as an ally in the US. I think it never made sense really and the US has not benefit from the alliance. I know some of the history of how it came about but even if you read those, the strategic calculus behind it was flawed.
    - vkou 6y ago
      > But I defiantly believe they are a bad ally. I don't know what exactly they have done to get such a high status as an ally in the US. They opposed India, which was opposed by China, and the US spent the post-Vietnam period cozying up to China, because it opposed the USSR. So, to answer your question, they haven't done anything other than be the enemy of an enemy of an enemy of an enemy.
      - nickik 6y ago
        Yes and they would have done so in any situation anyway. I not saying absolutely no support or cooperation with Pakistan on anything ever. But the level of ally the became made no sense.
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- booboolayla 6y ago
  The US made a grave mistake by taking Islamic countries as allies in their fight against Communism. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc. were all incredible mistakes that resulted in a worldwide revival of Islam and its inherent violence.
polartx 6y ago
>but i hope they get more funding for safety Here’s a wild idea: don’t try and fill the hole with money; if you can’t afford to safely move your nukes, you can’t afford your nukes, ergo you shouldn’t have nukes.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  >Here’s a wild idea: don’t try and fill the hole with money; if you can’t afford to safely move your nukes, you can’t afford your nukes, ergo you shouldn’t have nukes. Pakistan is playing in a geopolitical game that also involves the US, China, India and other nations much stronger than it. Large countries have a track record of being willing to throw small regional powers under the bus for their own gain. Pakistan, rightfully in my opinion sees having nukes as their only way to be dangerous enough that nobody will try to screw them out of their sovereignty. It's no surprise that they'd rather have nukes unsafely than not have them at all.
  - thenewwazoo 6y ago
    Ukraine is an excellent example of this. They voluntarily relinquished their nuclear weapons, and now Russian troops have invaded the eastern part of the country.
    - dragandj 6y ago
      I’m not so sure that nuclear weapons would help in these kinds of regional conflicts against Russia. It’s not that Russia officially invaded Ukraine (although in practice it did), but it stirred up local population (of largely Russian ethnicity) and then gave them logistical support and protection. So, if Ukraine had nuclear weapons, what would it do with it? Strike Russia, who has many more nuclear warheads, and stronger anti-nuclear protection? Nuclear weapons are for USA, China, Russia, and maybe France/Europe, because they are not going to use it. Maybe Israel, whic is so tiny and surrounded by rrivals, that it has no choice but to have something to scare the neighbors with. Maybe India, because it’s big enough. For everyone else, nuclear weapons are a liability, because if they ever use it, they are going to be wiped out by the big boys for not obeying...
nickff 6y ago
The foreign aid is being used to purchase political support (largely in the army), as is typical. The issue is political economy, not shortage of money.
sdinsn 6y ago
Why should foreign countries be funding them at all?

nickik 6y ago

So you want to give them more money even if you know that money is systematically misused? Pakistan will become a vessel state of China, its totally inevitable. Pakistan is 1000x more valuable to China then it could ever by for the US. The US should stop the idiotic believe that Pakistan is an ally. They simply are not, and have not been for a long time. It is well known that the support the Taliban. It is well known they are one of the main pushers of radical Islam. The only real value they ever had was to help against the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. And to do that the US ignored the warnings that they were developing nuclear weapons and basically created anti-western radical Islam.

newyankee 6y ago
The problem is that the general public is very fond of conspiracy theory for every problem under the sun. Every issue will be attributed to malicious intent of India, USA or Israel (somehow that comes into the mix). If the general public does not evolve, how would the army or govt.
catalogia 6y ago
> The US should stop the idiotic believe that Pakistan is an ally. Do they actually believe it, or do they just pay lip service to that idea for realpolitik reasons? The US has repeatedly accused China of assisting Pakistan with their nuclear weapons program. It's hard for any of us to say what the truth is in that matter, but either way I don't think the potential relationship between Pakistan and China has been ignored.
- nickik 6y ago
  I don't know about the nuclear weapons program. But I defiantly believe they are a bad ally. I don't know what exactly they have done to get such a high status as an ally in the US. I think it never made sense really and the US has not benefit from the alliance. I know some of the history of how it came about but even if you read those, the strategic calculus behind it was flawed.
  - vkou 6y ago
    > But I defiantly believe they are a bad ally. I don't know what exactly they have done to get such a high status as an ally in the US. They opposed India, which was opposed by China, and the US spent the post-Vietnam period cozying up to China, because it opposed the USSR. So, to answer your question, they haven't done anything other than be the enemy of an enemy of an enemy of an enemy.
    - nickik 6y ago
      Yes and they would have done so in any situation anyway. I not saying absolutely no support or cooperation with Pakistan on anything ever. But the level of ally the became made no sense.
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booboolayla 6y ago
The US made a grave mistake by taking Islamic countries as allies in their fight against Communism. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc. were all incredible mistakes that resulted in a worldwide revival of Islam and its inherent violence.

polartx 6y ago

>but i hope they get more funding for safety Here’s a wild idea: don’t try and fill the hole with money; if you can’t afford to safely move your nukes, you can’t afford your nukes, ergo you shouldn’t have nukes.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
>Here’s a wild idea: don’t try and fill the hole with money; if you can’t afford to safely move your nukes, you can’t afford your nukes, ergo you shouldn’t have nukes. Pakistan is playing in a geopolitical game that also involves the US, China, India and other nations much stronger than it. Large countries have a track record of being willing to throw small regional powers under the bus for their own gain. Pakistan, rightfully in my opinion sees having nukes as their only way to be dangerous enough that nobody will try to screw them out of their sovereignty. It's no surprise that they'd rather have nukes unsafely than not have them at all.
- thenewwazoo 6y ago
  Ukraine is an excellent example of this. They voluntarily relinquished their nuclear weapons, and now Russian troops have invaded the eastern part of the country.
  - dragandj 6y ago
    I’m not so sure that nuclear weapons would help in these kinds of regional conflicts against Russia. It’s not that Russia officially invaded Ukraine (although in practice it did), but it stirred up local population (of largely Russian ethnicity) and then gave them logistical support and protection. So, if Ukraine had nuclear weapons, what would it do with it? Strike Russia, who has many more nuclear warheads, and stronger anti-nuclear protection? Nuclear weapons are for USA, China, Russia, and maybe France/Europe, because they are not going to use it. Maybe Israel, whic is so tiny and surrounded by rrivals, that it has no choice but to have something to scare the neighbors with. Maybe India, because it’s big enough. For everyone else, nuclear weapons are a liability, because if they ever use it, they are going to be wiped out by the big boys for not obeying...

nickff 6y ago

The foreign aid is being used to purchase political support (largely in the army), as is typical. The issue is political economy, not shortage of money.

sdinsn 6y ago

Why should foreign countries be funding them at all?