This doesn't respond to either of the points I made: that raw deaths have increased in non us nations, and did so even prior to lockdowns being implemented. >

This doesn't respond to either of the points I made: that raw deaths have increased in non us nations, and did so even prior to lockdowns being implemented. > Those numbers agree with expert opinions on the mortality rate. In many cases you can't even really say why someone died without an autopsy which isn't gonna happen for so many basically routine deaths. Death due to sudden onset pneumonia isn't super common. And there aren't that many causes. If you die in a hospital due to pneumonia having tested positive for covid, yes it's actually very likely that covid is that killed you. You can disagree with that all you want but it's ultimately the way the world works. And it's kind of scary and not fun, but it's a truth we should death with, not avoid. > any answer at all and not be held to account, except if they give the most honest answer: we don't know. Scientists are actually exceedingly good at giving this answer. It's why there number I gave had a confidence interval. Experts are so good at saying "we don't know" that they can quantify it. And they do. And even to the extent that the expert opinion is 2 sigma off, you're still completely wrong. Let me ask you this: given all the information you have, how many people do you believe have died of covid in the us? How many have been infected?