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Suspend and resume has been stable for 10 years on linux. There is a clear value proposition for taking an old mac and installing Linux. No value for Apple, th

Suspend and resume has been stable for 10 years on linux. There is a clear value proposition for taking an old mac and installing Linux. No value for Apple, they want you to landfill the laptop and buy a new one.

benologist 6y ago
They don't want you to landfill it, they want to buy it back for half-market-value so they can resell it or reuse parts and metals. With cheap repairs you'd get your MBP fixed for $300 instead of sell it back to Apple for $300. With upgradability you'd max out ram and storage and get additional years out of a computer that maybe only shipped with 128gb of storage and 8gb of ram because you didn't have a spare $2000 for soldered upgrades on day zero. It all just pushes and guides you back to Apple to return the machine you quasi-leased for a slight discount on the next.
- valuearb 6y ago
  Quasi-leased? My Macs have always lasted far longer than my Windows PCs, if that’s a lease it’s the lowest cost one ever.
  - benologist 6y ago
    If you're looking at pre-2016 hardware sure, we can look back and see this stuff still ticking along very nicely and setting new expectations on longevity. Anything since is stuck with soldered storage and whatever ram unless you upgrade the entire machine. Anything with a butterfly keyboard is dependent on a free keyboard replacement program that ends soon for the earliest models. OLED degrades over time so there's a TBD lifespan on touch bar screens. The iMacs and Mac Pro might last forever on the hardware side, but if Apple only needs two years to transition to their own hardware they'll have no software support long before the hardware is useless. None of this is going to last like the previous generation.
ansible 6y ago
> Suspend and resume has been stable for 10 years on linux. I should have been more clear. What I meant was that buying a mainstream laptop with Windows pre-installed, and then putting Linux on it. In that case, things like suspend / resume may or may not work. Sure, one of those rare Linux-specific laptops (System 76, Dell, etc.) will see dramatically better hardware support.
mnm1 6y ago
Not on Macs it hasn't. On the late 2013 it definitely didn't work. Along with a bunch of other things. Extremely unstable Linux machine. I assume all Mac laptops are the same. Except for the last three years. Can't even install Linux on those afaik.

benologist 6y ago

They don't want you to landfill it, they want to buy it back for half-market-value so they can resell it or reuse parts and metals. With cheap repairs you'd get your MBP fixed for $300 instead of sell it back to Apple for $300. With upgradability you'd max out ram and storage and get additional years out of a computer that maybe only shipped with 128gb of storage and 8gb of ram because you didn't have a spare $2000 for soldered upgrades on day zero. It all just pushes and guides you back to Apple to return the machine you quasi-leased for a slight discount on the next.

valuearb 6y ago
Quasi-leased? My Macs have always lasted far longer than my Windows PCs, if that’s a lease it’s the lowest cost one ever.
- benologist 6y ago
  If you're looking at pre-2016 hardware sure, we can look back and see this stuff still ticking along very nicely and setting new expectations on longevity. Anything since is stuck with soldered storage and whatever ram unless you upgrade the entire machine. Anything with a butterfly keyboard is dependent on a free keyboard replacement program that ends soon for the earliest models. OLED degrades over time so there's a TBD lifespan on touch bar screens. The iMacs and Mac Pro might last forever on the hardware side, but if Apple only needs two years to transition to their own hardware they'll have no software support long before the hardware is useless. None of this is going to last like the previous generation.

ansible 6y ago

> Suspend and resume has been stable for 10 years on linux. I should have been more clear. What I meant was that buying a mainstream laptop with Windows pre-installed, and then putting Linux on it. In that case, things like suspend / resume may or may not work. Sure, one of those rare Linux-specific laptops (System 76, Dell, etc.) will see dramatically better hardware support.

mnm1 6y ago

Not on Macs it hasn't. On the late 2013 it definitely didn't work. Along with a bunch of other things. Extremely unstable Linux machine. I assume all Mac laptops are the same. Except for the last three years. Can't even install Linux on those afaik.