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So, this is the real reason of the switch to arm "apple proprietary" cpus. - First step, only Os X is able to run and the machine and apple control all the lay

So, this is the real reason of the switch to arm "apple proprietary" cpus. - First step, only Os X is able to run and the machine and apple control all the layers of the "stupid buyers" hardware to ensure TPM and signed bootloader/os. - When no OS alternative, they can complete the current evolution to force using signed/notarized third party applications. - Once everyone will already submit their binaries for apple validation, they could suddenly force users to use the Mac App Store. And prevent any installation outside of it. (As always, officially it will be for security and convenience of users...) - Then, they will have the same level of control of your computer as they have on the iPad and iPhone. - Then, you will have no right anymore on your own computer... That is the dream of Apple and Microsoft for a few years. Hopefully this strategy failed for Microsoft and their AppStore, but in their case they did not have control over the hardware!

neilalexander 6y ago
Honestly, this seems like an incredibly sensationalised take. The word “support” here probably doesn’t mean what you think it means. With Boot Camp, Apple produced an installation wizard and an entire fleet of drivers to make Windows work acceptably on a Mac. They spent man-hours working on and testing Windows on their hardware. That was them “supporting” Windows. So far, there is nothing that suggests that the bootloader will be locked or that it’ll be in any way impossible. It’s more about the fact that Apple just won’t help you do it, much in the way that booting Linux on a Mac works today but it isn’t a “supported” Boot Camp platform.
- greatgib 6y ago
  Ah ah, I think that you understand what you would like to understand! I agree that there can be a doubt in the meaning of his words, but Apple past and corporate strategy can show you very clearly what is their strategic goal. But we can take the bet here and I will come back here to tell you that I was right in 1 or 2 years.
  - zepto 6y ago
    You won’t be. There is no strategy here and no advantage to them doing what you claim, whereas there obviously has been with iOS. There is literally no evidence at all to support your assertion.
danieldk 6y ago
So, this is the real reason of the switch to arm "apple proprietary" cpus. No, it may be a side-effect. (1) the real reason is that they are not dependent on Intel for their product schedules anymore; (2) they can use the custom silicon that they are already shipping on iOS devices (e.g. the Neural Engine); (3) investments in their silicon pay off across more products; and (4) all of their hardware will be on the same architecture. They do not care about hobbyist niches of people that run hackintoshes or run Linux on the Mac. These niches are so small that it does not effect their bottom line. (Doesn't mean that closed platforms don't suck.)
- neilalexander 6y ago
  I feel pretty much like you do on this. Linux on Macs only even comes up so much here because HN is a technical community that is already predisposed, but it’s definitely not why the average person buys a Mac for. It’s certainly not enough for Apple to pay attention to or spend money on.
  - ghaff 6y ago
    What percentage of Mac users do you suppose have ever used the Terminal app? I'm guessing double digits but low double digits.
    - neilalexander 6y ago
      I’d probably guess about the same although I really have no evidence for that guess. Very likely if you’re a developer, not so much otherwise (ignoring the odd website that tells you to copy-paste-this-thing to do/fix whatever).
      - ghaff 6y ago
        >ignoring the odd website that tells you to copy-paste-this-thing to do/fix whatever Yeah. I was thinking that if the number were a lot higher than I'm guessing, that would be the reason.

neilalexander 6y ago

Honestly, this seems like an incredibly sensationalised take. The word “support” here probably doesn’t mean what you think it means. With Boot Camp, Apple produced an installation wizard and an entire fleet of drivers to make Windows work acceptably on a Mac. They spent man-hours working on and testing Windows on their hardware. That was them “supporting” Windows. So far, there is nothing that suggests that the bootloader will be locked or that it’ll be in any way impossible. It’s more about the fact that Apple just won’t help you do it, much in the way that booting Linux on a Mac works today but it isn’t a “supported” Boot Camp platform.

greatgib 6y ago
Ah ah, I think that you understand what you would like to understand! I agree that there can be a doubt in the meaning of his words, but Apple past and corporate strategy can show you very clearly what is their strategic goal. But we can take the bet here and I will come back here to tell you that I was right in 1 or 2 years.
- zepto 6y ago
  You won’t be. There is no strategy here and no advantage to them doing what you claim, whereas there obviously has been with iOS. There is literally no evidence at all to support your assertion.

danieldk 6y ago

So, this is the real reason of the switch to arm "apple proprietary" cpus. No, it may be a side-effect. (1) the real reason is that they are not dependent on Intel for their product schedules anymore; (2) they can use the custom silicon that they are already shipping on iOS devices (e.g. the Neural Engine); (3) investments in their silicon pay off across more products; and (4) all of their hardware will be on the same architecture. They do not care about hobbyist niches of people that run hackintoshes or run Linux on the Mac. These niches are so small that it does not effect their bottom line. (Doesn't mean that closed platforms don't suck.)

neilalexander 6y ago
I feel pretty much like you do on this. Linux on Macs only even comes up so much here because HN is a technical community that is already predisposed, but it’s definitely not why the average person buys a Mac for. It’s certainly not enough for Apple to pay attention to or spend money on.
- ghaff 6y ago
  What percentage of Mac users do you suppose have ever used the Terminal app? I'm guessing double digits but low double digits.
  - neilalexander 6y ago
    I’d probably guess about the same although I really have no evidence for that guess. Very likely if you’re a developer, not so much otherwise (ignoring the odd website that tells you to copy-paste-this-thing to do/fix whatever).
    - ghaff 6y ago
      >ignoring the odd website that tells you to copy-paste-this-thing to do/fix whatever Yeah. I was thinking that if the number were a lot higher than I'm guessing, that would be the reason.