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Pretty interesting, but it suffers from a common flaw for this type of analysis - it counts the population that lives within the municipal boundaries of the cit
by alexhutcheson 6y ago
Pretty interesting, but it suffers from a common flaw for this type of analysis - it counts the population that lives within the municipal boundaries of the city itself, not the population that lives within the "urban area" or commuting zone of that city. Different regions have different norms and laws for how they define municipal boundaries, so in some places the main municipality (e.g. Boston) is just a fraction of the urban core, while in other places the municipal boundaries include huge amounts of suburban and even rural land. Unless you're specifically interested in analyzing something related to municipal government, this isn't normally what you want to use to compare across regions.
Jacksonville, FL is an extreme example of this. Jacksonville's municipal boundaries are huge - it covers 875 sq. miles[1]. This is ~1.85x the area of New York City[2], and 3.77x the area of San Francisco[3].
Within the US, it's preferable to use core-based statistical areas (CBSAs)[4] for this type of analysis. They're defined by commuting zones, and they're not sensitive to political boundaries except to the extent that political boundaries actually affect commuting patterns. If you want to limit yourself to the "dense" part of the metro area then you can use the Census-defined Urbanized Areas[5], but the definitions of those might not match your intuitions about what should be included.
Assuming we use CBSA population, then the box that contains Jacksonville should instead have Atlanta, which has an CBSA population of ~5.8 million vs. only ~1.5 million in Jacksonville[5].
The statistical agencies for other countries have similar concepts. For Europe, Eurostat defines metropolitan regions[6], which have a similar definition. The OECD also maintains a data set of population by metropolitan area for OECD countries, although the methodology isn't consistent across all countries in that data set[7].
TL;DR - political and municipal boundaries aren't comparable across regions, use commuting zones or density-based region definitions instead. If you see Jacksonville, FL in a list of "biggest cities", it's always a red flag that they're using municipal boundaries.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville,_Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville,_Florida
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_york_city https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_york_city
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core-based_statistical_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core-based_statistical_area
[5] https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/guidance/geo-areas/urban-rural/2010-urban-rural.html https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/geography/guidance/g...
[5] https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?q=United%20States&tid=ACSDT5Y2018.B01003&g=0100000US.310000&vintage=2018&hidePreview=true&tp=true&moe=false https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?q=United%20States&tid=A...
[6] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/metropolitan-regions/data/database https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/metropolitan-regions/data/...
[7] https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=CITIES https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=CITIES
- mjd 6y agoYes, definitely. This sort of issue is very hard to resolve adequately. There's no definition that always does everything we want. A while back I wrote an article comparing each U.S. state's largest and second-largest cities. (https://blog.plover.com/misc/second-largest-cities.html https://blog.plover.com/misc/second-largest-cities.html) I made a perfectly reasonable choice of which definition to adopt, but it still had major peculiarities: the largest city in New Jersey was Trenton, not Newark, because in the data set I used, Newark was considered part of New York City.