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I really liked the Meego iteration. Its UI was top notch.

qwerty456127 6y ago
There is Tizen and some other derivative I can't remember still actively developed. I would by a Tizen phone if I could be sure there are enough of good apps available for it and if I didn't trust Samsung even less than I trust Google.
- em-bee 6y ago
  i had a tizen phone. tizen was not bad. but the selection in the app market wasn't to great. f-droid has more/better apps than tizen. unfortunately, unlike sailfish, tizen lacks support for android apps. the reason for that is that samsung would loose its commercial android license if they added android support to tizen.
- hajile 6y ago
  Tizen is a derivative in name only. Samsung effectively took complete control of the group from all the other companies on the Meego project and it seems like they only continued work to keep pressure on Google. Nokia owned Qt and Samsung didn't want to pay fees or buy Qt outright, so they went with the mostly unknown Linux Enlightenment project (didn't hurt that it's main dev worked for them at the time). Likewise, Nokia owned rights to SwipeUI, so they opted for a remake of the Android UI. If they'd gone with something like a cleanroom implementation of SwipeUI or webOS, I think Tizen could have been a success. Instead, it just feels like a bad, outdated edition of Android. If users wanted that, they'd just use Android instead.
shaan7 6y ago
This guy did it justice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO4iNau8AWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO4iNau8AWM
- TLightful 6y ago
  That's the third option I wish we had ... How on earth did this not take off ?
  - shaan7 6y ago
    > How on earth did this not take off ? Monies. Microsoft's offer to Nokia was way too lucrative.
  - senko 6y ago
    Internal politics. Symbian faction was too strong and Maemo was (rightly) seen as something that would cannibalize it if successful. Meego being a full rewrite and repackage (qt/rpm whereas maemo was gtk/deb), although it had merits, means development needed to restart from scratch. Nokia also totally mismanaged dev relations. First it built up dev excitement for Maemo, then announced it was going to be abandoned (for Meego) a few months later. Meego was a combination of Intel's Moblin (purchased from OpenedHand, a big Linux shop back in the day) and Nokia's Maemo. Shortly after Intel abandoned the project in favor of Tizen, leaving Nokia holding the bag. Nokia went through the motions until the infamous burning platform memo, driving the last nail. In some ways, N900/N9 is a parallel with Amiga. Great machine, tremendous excitement by a (small) loyal userbase, mismanaged by development, and now a subject of nostalgia and failed attempts to resurrect the dream.
    - erincandescent 6y ago
      This is anhistorical; Nokia abandoned the Meego project with/after the burning platform memo. The Linux Foundation abandoned the Meego project and adopted Tizen afterwards, in part because of Nokia's departure
- distances 6y ago
  Thanks for the link! He perfectly describes how I feel about N9 still to this day.
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  Great video, great timing.

There is Tizen and some other derivative I can't remember still actively developed. I would by a Tizen phone if I could be sure there are enough of good apps available for it and if I didn't trust Samsung even less than I trust Google.

em-bee 6y ago
i had a tizen phone. tizen was not bad. but the selection in the app market wasn't to great. f-droid has more/better apps than tizen. unfortunately, unlike sailfish, tizen lacks support for android apps. the reason for that is that samsung would loose its commercial android license if they added android support to tizen.
hajile 6y ago
Tizen is a derivative in name only. Samsung effectively took complete control of the group from all the other companies on the Meego project and it seems like they only continued work to keep pressure on Google. Nokia owned Qt and Samsung didn't want to pay fees or buy Qt outright, so they went with the mostly unknown Linux Enlightenment project (didn't hurt that it's main dev worked for them at the time). Likewise, Nokia owned rights to SwipeUI, so they opted for a remake of the Android UI. If they'd gone with something like a cleanroom implementation of SwipeUI or webOS, I think Tizen could have been a success. Instead, it just feels like a bad, outdated edition of Android. If users wanted that, they'd just use Android instead.

shaan7 6y ago

This guy did it justice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO4iNau8AWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO4iNau8AWM

TLightful 6y ago
That's the third option I wish we had ... How on earth did this not take off ?
- shaan7 6y ago
  > How on earth did this not take off ? Monies. Microsoft's offer to Nokia was way too lucrative.
- senko 6y ago
  Internal politics. Symbian faction was too strong and Maemo was (rightly) seen as something that would cannibalize it if successful. Meego being a full rewrite and repackage (qt/rpm whereas maemo was gtk/deb), although it had merits, means development needed to restart from scratch. Nokia also totally mismanaged dev relations. First it built up dev excitement for Maemo, then announced it was going to be abandoned (for Meego) a few months later. Meego was a combination of Intel's Moblin (purchased from OpenedHand, a big Linux shop back in the day) and Nokia's Maemo. Shortly after Intel abandoned the project in favor of Tizen, leaving Nokia holding the bag. Nokia went through the motions until the infamous burning platform memo, driving the last nail. In some ways, N900/N9 is a parallel with Amiga. Great machine, tremendous excitement by a (small) loyal userbase, mismanaged by development, and now a subject of nostalgia and failed attempts to resurrect the dream.
  - erincandescent 6y ago
    This is anhistorical; Nokia abandoned the Meego project with/after the burning platform memo. The Linux Foundation abandoned the Meego project and adopted Tizen afterwards, in part because of Nokia's departure
distances 6y ago
Thanks for the link! He perfectly describes how I feel about N9 still to this day.
Apocryphon 6y ago
Great video, great timing.