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I may be misunderstanding your comment, but Assange is Australian.

henearkr 6y ago
Oh, sorry if it was not very clear, I was saying that US treatment of the Assange case was disgusting me. By "American great minds", I was thinking about all the American mathematicians and scientists whose books I passionately devour, and the splendid futuristic projects of some tech corps, which bring sci-fi dreams to reality.
- ReptileMan 6y ago
  I mean ... the US has not even got hands on him yet. He hasn't been in US custody for a second. There is absolutely no case. Yet. If you want to feel contempt strongly towards someone - the UK, Ecuador and Sweden governments are the ones to blame so far.
  - henearkr 6y ago
    Yes, you're right. But the pressure to do so comes from the US all the same... You're right that what's happening in UK with Assange is very disturbing... I followed Craig Murray's blog posts.
    - hardlianotion 6y ago
      Assange is in prison in the UK because he skipped bail.
      - henearkr 6y ago
        That's not what I am upset about. First of all, why had he to skip this bail at all. All of his suspicions about the first sex offense case being a pretense to extradite him were confirmed. And then, the way he is treated in the UK tribunal, like a slaughterer scum of the worst kind, denied all dignity, is revolting. If you had not seen the Craig Murray reports, I would warmly advise you to give them a look, they are rich in details.
    - ReptileMan 6y ago
      Well you have to be special kind of reckless to be in US friendly jurisdictions when pissing off the State Department ... Assange wanted to play with the big boys. He got his wish granted.
      - henearkr 6y ago
        If I understand well, you are essentially saying "well done". Let us agree to disagree.
        ReptileMan 6y ago
        No. I mean if you spill Uncle Sam secrets and make a high ranking politician lose face - make sure you are in a country where USA cannot reach you.
        henearkr 6y ago
        UK was supposed to be such a place. At least UK's law was telling that. Also, smearing shit on the face of prime ministers, presidents, all the highest ranking politicians you can imagine, is just the game of free press in a democracy. You are free to chose your government only because you are free to know what they did wrong (or right). The fact to retaliate violently against that is totally contrary to the fair game supposed by the establishment of democracy, and also it does not restore the lost face of the politician. You are saying that was predictable. If you could do so, great, your guess was better than most people. Assange himself is quite paranoid yet he could not predict this trap.
  - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
    There is a United Nations report detailing how Assange is being politically prosecuted. This is no longer merely an opinion of his sympathysers.
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    - ReptileMan 6y ago
      He is not politically prosecuted, he is politically persecuted by prosecution that is pulled out of someone's ass. But once again - he hasn't been touched by US so far. There are numerous governments that could have given him asylum, and the EU court of human rights is suspiciously silent.
  - raverbashing 6y ago
    To be fair the Equador government helped him a great deal but apparently even them got tired of it. I think they did what they could given the circumstances.
    - frabbit 6y ago
      It's a different government now. The previous leftist one was doing inconvenient things so the USA had to get rid of it. The current one is doing what it is told though, so everything is fine: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/12/latin-america-neoliberalism-ecuador-assange-guillaume-long/ https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/12/latin-america-neoliberali...
  - Tepix 6y ago
    So you are saying charging a journalist with these things is OK?
    - ReptileMan 6y ago
      Well ... a prosecutor can charge anyone with anything. Winning a case is a whole different matter. Not a first amendment scholar but Assange is probably pretty safe on disseminating the information. But they claim he committed felonies obtaining it.
- fsloth 6y ago
  Assange case? It's been a very bad idea for decades to get on US governments shit list. The range of options range from financial restraints to summary assassination without a trial. People should understand this. US is a stabilizing force in the world but they are not about universal human rights or world peace.
  - henearkr 6y ago
    Lots of journalists, say, in France for example, hurl shit in the face of US every day, with lots of investigations, and they still are more or less protected and the country where they live abide by the law... So, that's what personally I would have expected and hoped about Assange too. The reality is different from what you present: it is not common that journalists opposing to US are (internationally) repressed at all. And, of course, because such repression is illegal, it is not expectable.
    - umvi 6y ago
      What do you think would happen if an <insert nation> journalist started trying to help hackers recover secrets from French Intelligence agencies and then published them for the whole world to see? What if the leaked secrets were mostly true? Do you think the French Government would celebrate the <insert nation> journalist? Or would they do everything in their power to stop them?
      - henearkr 6y ago
        That's an easy one, because spying on France industrial or state secrets by foreign powers happens all the time. For example: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/09/27/business/hackers-tried-steal-airbus-secrets-via-contractors-china-link-suspected-afp/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/09/27/business/hacker... So, to answer your question: they do not try to extradite the foreign operators responsible to the leaks, and they do everything to strengthen their IT security. Also, they possibly build or reinforce their cyber-defense team to cyber-counter or cyber-retaliate. This kind of response is just how it happens when abiding to the international law. Still, they are far from doing nothing, and they are efficient.
- plandis 6y ago
  How has the US mistreated him? He’s not even in US custody and the charges are public information. He he’s done what he’s accused of I think he deserves to be in jail.

Oh, sorry if it was not very clear, I was saying that US treatment of the Assange case was disgusting me. By "American great minds", I was thinking about all the American mathematicians and scientists whose books I passionately devour, and the splendid futuristic projects of some tech corps, which bring sci-fi dreams to reality.

ReptileMan 6y ago
I mean ... the US has not even got hands on him yet. He hasn't been in US custody for a second. There is absolutely no case. Yet. If you want to feel contempt strongly towards someone - the UK, Ecuador and Sweden governments are the ones to blame so far.
- henearkr 6y ago
  Yes, you're right. But the pressure to do so comes from the US all the same... You're right that what's happening in UK with Assange is very disturbing... I followed Craig Murray's blog posts.
  - hardlianotion 6y ago
    Assange is in prison in the UK because he skipped bail.
    - henearkr 6y ago
      That's not what I am upset about. First of all, why had he to skip this bail at all. All of his suspicions about the first sex offense case being a pretense to extradite him were confirmed. And then, the way he is treated in the UK tribunal, like a slaughterer scum of the worst kind, denied all dignity, is revolting. If you had not seen the Craig Murray reports, I would warmly advise you to give them a look, they are rich in details.
  - ReptileMan 6y ago
    Well you have to be special kind of reckless to be in US friendly jurisdictions when pissing off the State Department ... Assange wanted to play with the big boys. He got his wish granted.
    - henearkr 6y ago
      If I understand well, you are essentially saying "well done". Let us agree to disagree.
      - ReptileMan 6y ago
        No. I mean if you spill Uncle Sam secrets and make a high ranking politician lose face - make sure you are in a country where USA cannot reach you.
        henearkr 6y ago
        UK was supposed to be such a place. At least UK's law was telling that. Also, smearing shit on the face of prime ministers, presidents, all the highest ranking politicians you can imagine, is just the game of free press in a democracy. You are free to chose your government only because you are free to know what they did wrong (or right). The fact to retaliate violently against that is totally contrary to the fair game supposed by the establishment of democracy, and also it does not restore the lost face of the politician. You are saying that was predictable. If you could do so, great, your guess was better than most people. Assange himself is quite paranoid yet he could not predict this trap.
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  There is a United Nations report detailing how Assange is being politically prosecuted. This is no longer merely an opinion of his sympathysers.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - ReptileMan 6y ago
    He is not politically prosecuted, he is politically persecuted by prosecution that is pulled out of someone's ass. But once again - he hasn't been touched by US so far. There are numerous governments that could have given him asylum, and the EU court of human rights is suspiciously silent.
- raverbashing 6y ago
  To be fair the Equador government helped him a great deal but apparently even them got tired of it. I think they did what they could given the circumstances.
  - frabbit 6y ago
    It's a different government now. The previous leftist one was doing inconvenient things so the USA had to get rid of it. The current one is doing what it is told though, so everything is fine: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/12/latin-america-neoliberalism-ecuador-assange-guillaume-long/ https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/12/latin-america-neoliberali...
- Tepix 6y ago
  So you are saying charging a journalist with these things is OK?
  - ReptileMan 6y ago
    Well ... a prosecutor can charge anyone with anything. Winning a case is a whole different matter. Not a first amendment scholar but Assange is probably pretty safe on disseminating the information. But they claim he committed felonies obtaining it.
fsloth 6y ago
Assange case? It's been a very bad idea for decades to get on US governments shit list. The range of options range from financial restraints to summary assassination without a trial. People should understand this. US is a stabilizing force in the world but they are not about universal human rights or world peace.
- henearkr 6y ago
  Lots of journalists, say, in France for example, hurl shit in the face of US every day, with lots of investigations, and they still are more or less protected and the country where they live abide by the law... So, that's what personally I would have expected and hoped about Assange too. The reality is different from what you present: it is not common that journalists opposing to US are (internationally) repressed at all. And, of course, because such repression is illegal, it is not expectable.
  - umvi 6y ago
    What do you think would happen if an <insert nation> journalist started trying to help hackers recover secrets from French Intelligence agencies and then published them for the whole world to see? What if the leaked secrets were mostly true? Do you think the French Government would celebrate the <insert nation> journalist? Or would they do everything in their power to stop them?
    - henearkr 6y ago
      That's an easy one, because spying on France industrial or state secrets by foreign powers happens all the time. For example: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/09/27/business/hackers-tried-steal-airbus-secrets-via-contractors-china-link-suspected-afp/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/09/27/business/hacker... So, to answer your question: they do not try to extradite the foreign operators responsible to the leaks, and they do everything to strengthen their IT security. Also, they possibly build or reinforce their cyber-defense team to cyber-counter or cyber-retaliate. This kind of response is just how it happens when abiding to the international law. Still, they are far from doing nothing, and they are efficient.
plandis 6y ago
How has the US mistreated him? He’s not even in US custody and the charges are public information. He he’s done what he’s accused of I think he deserves to be in jail.